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I'm not sure that's possible with Breakaway Audio Enhancer. If I'm not mistaken, BAE won't send its processed audio to another application by design. This is probably to keep people from using it as a broadcast audio solution and encourage them buy BreakawayOne. I don't have an Apple TV or airplay compatible device, so I can't test it out directly, but I'm willing to bet BA1 can do what you want with a little configuration.
I suggest trying out BreakawayOne in trial mode to see if it can do what you want. You'll be impressed with the improvement in audio quality and the jingle/nag doesn't interject often enough for it to be a real issue for personal listening. I ran it in trial mode for a number of months before I invested in a BA1 license.
While it's not something I'd personally use, maybe Leif will end up putting up the source code to allow somebody to turn it into a VST. Or perhaps convert it himself.
That's above my expertise. I know the Omnia.9 is the big boy version of BreakawayOne, and that the preset files are partially compatible. The O.9 has a LOT more functionality and settings available to the user through the interface than BA1, but you might be able to use the manual to help figure out what the settings in the preset files do, and work at it from that angle. Here's a link to the latest version of the manual: https://www.telosalliance.com/images/Omnia%20Products/Omnia%209/Omnia9_Audio_Processing_Manual_Book_C18315032.pdf
Good luck!
[quote author=MrKlorox link=topic=5513.msg19709#msg19709 date=1546544395]I'm interested in knowing if it would be possible to update this setting or add another for proper J Meier style headphone crossfeed (http://www.meier-audio.homepage.t-online.de/crossfeed.htm).
I love the 'Mono Mix Bass' setting in theory, but in practice it just doesn't reduce headphone fatigue as much as this J Meier VST I've had for a while (http://bs2b.sourceforge.net/). The problem with using this VST is it's only a 16 bit audio path, so placing it after the Stereo Tool VST gives it harsh clipping. The VST is open source and contains an example of the algorithm used on the page I linked. Hopefully it has everything you need to test out something like this.[/quote]So a few days ago, after some more looking, I found a forum post with an attachment. It has a 32-bit VST port of a Foobar2000 plugin, which uses the algorithm I posted about. Best of all it doesn't clip when using it at the end of the chain. It's still not as flexible as the Foobar2000 BS2B plugin, having no interface [edit: apparently it does, it just doesn't show up in BA1's VST host]. I still recommend folks giving it a listen. Maybe an update to the VST host to display generic VST UI content?
https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,108412.msg923812.html#msg923812
No telling how long that attachment will be available, but it looks like it's been there for a couple years. I'm liking this one so far.
Again, this specific thing is more about lessening headphone fatigue by reducing the extreme separation starting from the bottom end and not so much about making sure the subwoofer has the right phase.
I'm coming here about it because I want Breakaway to have some more things that ST doesn't have. Up to Lord Leif to decide whether it's worth messing with, or if enough people would use this type of thing.
[edit2: I also just found this free plugin which seems to do the job. It's called AMBEO Orbit by Sennheiser https://en-us.sennheiser.com/ambeo-blueprints-binaural
Its interface actually works. Just make sure to disable reflections and raise the width all the way. I'll have to give it some more time to really compare the two. It doesn't seem as transparent as the MeierCrossfeed.dll][quote author=teletronix-telecom link=topic=5513.msg19823#msg19823 date=1551154923]
Klorox why not reducing stereo tool output for something like-24db? That's easy and will fix your problems
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Thanks. I was thinking about this, but wouldn't that affect the sound of BA1 in the quieter parts? I was under the impression I should give it as much audio data as possible to work with. Though I guess it's a non-issue now that I found a properly functioning alternative VST.[quote author=manasseh link=topic=5652.msg19826#msg19826 date=1551180650]
2. Does each breakaway preset imply different internal multiband/eq settings pre-defined and non-configurable for the user?
When I change presets and keep the Deep Bass/warmth/presence//brilliance the same, I hear difference a big spectral balance even with multiband/AGC off.
[/quote]Totally. I mean they're configurable, but there's no GUI available to help you out. You can try editing the amx files in a text editor and messing with values there, but good luck with that. The outmix lines near the end of the preset files I think are the final EQ before the output. Try using that to tune the spectral balance once you find a preset that gives the processing you're looking for.
Save the preset to PC to get access to the preset file itself.
[quote author=Jannes01 link=topic=5647.msg19829#msg19829 date=1551267882]
Really? I thought BA1 also is a 7 band audio processor, only thing is, the standard presets are setup with 5, you can edit them to 7, but then they sound crappy and you have to edit the preset all over, which is a hard thing to do.
So it would be nice if they added some good 7 band presets, maby someone here can post a few? or even better LEIF???
[/quote]If you download the Omnia 9 patch I linked in the first post and open it in 7-zip, you can find some 6 and 7 band presets. But I'm fairly certain bands 6-7 don't function in BA1. They should be located in "1601-00511-010_omnia9_updater_3.18.99.pak\d:\Omnia9\music_presets\"
I'd zip and upload them somewhere if I knew for sure it wasn't against the forum rules. It's not propagating piracy by any means. The patch is freely available from the official website and the software itself won't work without authorization. I want to get my hands on some Aero presets to see how they sound by comparison on my TV pc.
Hello. Are you asking how to go to Displays Only mode without having to access the Menu? I don't know if there's a keyboard shortcut. That seems like it would be a great addition to the software.
Google translated:
Olá. Você está perguntando como ir para o modo Displays Only sem ter que acessar o Menu? Não sei se há um atalho de teclado. Isso parece ser um ótimo complemento para o software.Sure! Post in the Breakaway One subforum if you need any assistance or preset suggestions.
(edit: Leif even made a broadcast TV processor before Breakaway One called the Aero.Air. Maybe somebody'll post a BA1 compatible preset from it.) 8)
I don't think BAE qualifies for the upgrade. At least it didn't look like it when I was researching upgrading to BA1.
To the OP, when I used BAE for movies and music, I liked to use Helix with the bass boost turned all the way down and bass shape turned up. This is in my opinion the best setting for bass if you have a subwoofer. Then you can adjust the speed, range, and power to find a good setting that doesn't destroy the range you're looking for. When I watch TV (not dramas) I liked to use Eruption because it made the quietest parts loud enough for me to hear without blasting my ears.
I still recommend trying out BreakawayOne. BA1 has loads more settings and much better bass quality compared to BAE. It's got an unlimited trial mode and the nag/reminder to register doesn't happen very often. It only airs when it's processing audio, so it won't break in when you have things paused or the input muted. I used BA1 for like 9 months before finally buying. I used BAE for a couple years before that. In fact I'm using a a trial core in the living room where the TV is, and that's been just fine since I don't watch TV very much.
You can make sure windows is assigning it the correct audio device by pressing the windows key then typing "Sound Mixer Options" without the quotes to enter the windows advanced sound mixer. Make sure Line 1 (Breakaway) is selected as the Master Output or as the chosen output for iTunes in case anything but the default is chosen.
I'm sure there is also a setting in iTunes to make it use a certain device, though I don't know what it is or how to get to it. Google will probably have more answers for that part considering how popular iTunes is.
Sometimes plugging in headphones or connecting something with Bluetooth will make Windows think you want to listen to that device instead of letting Breakaway process the audio first. This will change the default device, so remember to change it back through the mixer or Window's Sound panel.
This seems like a question for Keith Edwards. Try emailing his first name @ claessonedwards.com (I'm trying to avoid surfacing his email to even more spam bots) and post back here if you get any information.
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Hello,I'm setting up a multiple radio program streaming machine.
This is to be broadcasting 20 different program. i'd like to use breakway for process and encoding.
How many license do I need ? How many processin HD core ? How many extras ?thank you and good day
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Howdy!You might have better luck by starting a new thread in the Breakaway One subforum ( http://www.forumclaessonedwards.com/forum/index.php/board,9.0.html ).
If I'm not mistaken you would need 1 HD core for each unique program stream and 1 streaming core addon per core. But you can probably get more information in the BAO area.
I use Stereo Tool as a VST in Breakaway. Sorry I was not more clear. I thought the 16 bit aspect was causing it to clip. Regardless the declipper in ST and bass expander/etc can go above the 0db lines in the BAO visualizer. However when using the BS2B VST it clips hard at 0db instead of letting BAO do it. Sure I could put it before ST, but it sounds best after the stereo effects. I would absolutely prefer to use Leif's native code, and that's why I'm posting about it with as much info and work done as I can, so it can more easily become native code.
Not trying to increase Leif's workload.
Hi Leif and friends. I figured I'd post in this thread even though it's a little old.
I'm interested in knowing if it would be possible to update this setting or add another for proper J Meier style headphone crossfeed (http://www.meier-audio.homepage.t-online.de/crossfeed.htm).
I love the 'Mono Mix Bass' setting in theory, but in practice it just doesn't reduce headphone fatigue as much as this J Meier VST I've had for a while (http://bs2b.sourceforge.net/). The problem with using this VST is it's only a 16 bit audio path, so placing it after the Stereo Tool VST gives it harsh clipping. The VST is open source and contains an example of the algorithm used on the page I linked. Hopefully it has everything you need to test out something like this.
I realize you're very busy across multiple projects and that it's important to focus on one goal at a time, but please add this to the list of things you plan on looking into.
Secondly, does anyone know of a multiband expander VST so I can get even closer to throwing together a custom 'Undo' box? ;D
Thank you for an awesome tool that I couldn't live comfortably without, and happy new year!
Ty[quote author=Milky link=topic=5596.msg19662#msg19662 date=1543176850]
I seem to recall that Leif purposely leaves Winamp VSTs alone, but can't remember the reason. Perhaps they don't play nicely with BA1.
[/quote]quote Leif:Indeed I check for it so that it doesn't try to use it as VST, because it crashed otherwise :).BreakawayOne uses 24-bit samples with 8-bit headroom (so levels internally can go to +48dBFS, not limited to 0dBFS).
VSTs are 32-bit floating point, which means 24-bit resolution with essentially infinite headroom.
So, if you feed a 0dBFS clipped modern loudness-war master into BaOne without attenuation, and then run a VST de-clipper, you will have +12dB or maybe even +18dB peaks, which is perfectly fine because BaOne has the headroom for it, and the AGC will push it down to where it should be.Winamp DSP plug-ins, on the other hand, use 16-bit samples and has NO headroom. So, if you wanted to do a de-clipper as a Winamp DSP plug-in, you would need 12 or maybe even 18dB attenuation to avoid clipping in the DSP chain.
18dB.. that's 3 bits. So you'd be down to *13 bits* of audio data!
That's just not enough to be useful, so I skipped it completely.
Best regards,
Leif Claesson
