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Hello Everyone,
I've been trying to add the Attenuator Plug-In to Breakaway One but I keep having this message: 'Winamp DNP Not Supported, VST required'
Should I add a VSP wrapper/stacker?
Side note: The Spartacus plug-in loads fine, but the user interface doesn't open. Any tips on that?
Thanks!!!
I seem to recall that Leif purposely leaves Winamp VSTs alone, but can't remember the reason. Perhaps they don't play nicely with BA1.
I have a RIAA curve VST for playing phono through BA1. It also does not display the user options, but, once they are set, BA1 obeys the settings.
[quote author=Milky link=topic=5596.msg19662#msg19662 date=1543176850]
I seem to recall that Leif purposely leaves Winamp VSTs alone, but can't remember the reason. Perhaps they don't play nicely with BA1.
[/quote]quote Leif:Indeed I check for it so that it doesn't try to use it as VST, because it crashed otherwise :).BreakawayOne uses 24-bit samples with 8-bit headroom (so levels internally can go to +48dBFS, not limited to 0dBFS).
VSTs are 32-bit floating point, which means 24-bit resolution with essentially infinite headroom.
So, if you feed a 0dBFS clipped modern loudness-war master into BaOne without attenuation, and then run a VST de-clipper, you will have +12dB or maybe even +18dB peaks, which is perfectly fine because BaOne has the headroom for it, and the AGC will push it down to where it should be.Winamp DSP plug-ins, on the other hand, use 16-bit samples and has NO headroom. So, if you wanted to do a de-clipper as a Winamp DSP plug-in, you would need 12 or maybe even 18dB attenuation to avoid clipping in the DSP chain.
18dB.. that's 3 bits. So you'd be down to *13 bits* of audio data!
That's just not enough to be useful, so I skipped it completely.
Best regards,
Leif ClaessonIf you need a VST to just turn down the audio within the VST path, with a little bit more functionality…
https://www.sonalksis.com/freeg.html
Just curious, why do you need to turn down audio within the VST chain?
Spartacus is a VST plugin, but it doesn't have its own window/interface, and BreakawayOne doesn't currently have a default parameter UI of its own to control those VST plugins.
[quote author=JesseG link=topic=5596.msg19664#msg19664 date=1543180078]
If you need a VST to just turn down the audio within the VST path, with a little bit more functionality…https://www.sonalksis.com/freeg.html
Just curious, why do you need to turn down audio within the VST chain?
Spartacus is a VST plugin, but it doesn't have its own window/interface, and BreakawayOne doesn't currently have a default parameter UI of its own to control those VST plugins.
[/quote]The client wants me to keep up with the market and turn up the clipping drive to +5db. Naturally, I warned him about the distortion and the cackling. It doesn’t help that station input sometimes has very high peaks (the Breakaway monitor is in the red). I searched old threads on this forum, and It seems many users were saying that adding an Attunuator helped with the distortion and cackling. What do you think? Any other tip?
[quote author=Milky link=topic=5596.msg19666#msg19666 date=1543220266]
Has your client even listened to BA1 with a decent preset selected??
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You know how some clients are 🙁I'm setting up a sister regional station for a national station that uses a mod of the Radium preset on an Omnia.9. I ported the Radium +1.5db preset to Breakaway One. To my ears it sounds phenomenal, but the client wants a louder and denser broadcast.
A bummer.
[quote author=jadsawaya link=topic=5596.msg19665#msg19665 date=1543209647]station input sometimes has very high peaks (the Breakaway monitor is in the red). I searched old threads on this forum, and It seems many users were saying that adding an Attunuator helped with the distortion and cackling.[/quote]
If the distortion had already happened by the time BreakawayOne gets it from the soundcard, then no. That won't do anything at all to reduce distortion, because what's coming from the soundcard is already distorted.
What should be done is to re-calibrate the soundcard AND whatever is running into it, so that it's not clipping/distorting anything, and then ALSO given a bunch of headroom (space for the signal peaks to get higher) so that there's room left for mistakes to happen without clipping/distortion before it even gets to BreakawayOne.
Having peaks that are hitting -12 dB FS during normal operation (with music and DJs talking at the same time, or very dynamic music that has higher peaks at the same loudness) is a safe place to start. If it still ends up happening, you can calibrate it so the peaks are even lower. If it just keeps happening, then obviously… there needs to be some training for the gear (mixer/etc) they are using.
[quote author=JesseG link=topic=5596.msg19668#msg19668 date=1543233245]
If the distortion had already happened by the time BreakawayOne gets it from the soundcard, then no. That won't do anything at all to reduce distortion, because what's coming from the soundcard is already distorted.What should be done is to re-calibrate the soundcard AND whatever is running into it, so that it's not clipping/distorting anything, and then ALSO given a bunch of headroom (space for the signal peaks to get higher) so that there's room left for mistakes to happen without clipping/distortion before it even gets to BreakawayOne.
Having peaks that are hitting -12 dB FS during normal operation (with music and DJs talking at the same time, or very dynamic music that has higher peaks at the same loudness) is a safe place to start. If it still ends up happening, you can calibrate it so the peaks are even lower. If it just keeps happening, then obviously… there needs to be some training for the gear (mixer/etc) they are using.
[/quote]Thanks for the answer! Maybe I can also convince them to tone down the clipping a bit.
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