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Quick question to help diagnose this: can you check and see if it happens at exactly the same point in a song each time? Or does it not happen at the same point the next time you play it.
Thanks; let me know…
[quote author=”JesseG”]That way the Undo presets and Core presets can be switched between each other… vs having to be tied together, and basically not getting presets for Undo. The nice side effect of course is also… more consistency. 😉[/quote]
That’s great to hear Jesse; much applause for that decision. It’s great to know that the Undo behavior can be selected separately from the processing preset; that’s quality design.Oh, my… very impressive results with that multiband declipper. When he demoed it with The Donnas’ song, I could plainly hear the difference, even through the little camera mic!
(That part is at 16:23, and he A/Bs it at 16:58 and 17:34)
UNDO, okay yes, very cool! I would be very interested in hearing a quick little A/B comparison clip if you can provide one.
I’ve used SeeDeClip on a few tracks which benefitted greatly from this, but SeeDeClip doesn’t process live audio, of course.
I’ll be eagerly awaiting samples of Undo whenever available; that would be great.
[quote author=”Boki”]If HPF is 45Hz and first band is 36Hz and HPF is before MB, your 1st band shouldn’t move ?[/quote]
You would think not! But it’s true; you can try it… set the HPF to 45 Hz, and you still get some Band 1 in there.This sorta makes sense, because 36 Hz is only the "mid-point" of the Band 1 cutoff, not the absolute maximum.
If you set the HPF real high, like 120 Hz, then the Band 1 does drop out completely.
[quote author=”Boki”]And what’s that mean that first band is "low-pass" and last "high-pass" ?[/quote]
Ah, that’s easy- "low-pass" meaning "frequencies below X will pass through the filter"…."high-pass" meaning "frequencies above X will pass through the filter".
Yah I’ve always wondered about that Band 1 cutoff myself! At 36 Hz it seems like you’d never get much Band 1 action in the mix. Yet the meter for Band 1 does indeed move about during most tracks.
Here are the crossover points which Leif posted in another thread:
[quote author=”Leif”]The crossover cutoff points for the 6-band presets are:
(1) 36,
(2) 49-145,
(3) 171-507,
(4) 599-1775,
(5) 2097-6212,
(6) 8235.Note that the first one is low-pass, the last one is high-pass, and the remaining ones are band-pass.[/quote]
And, even beyond that low 36 Hz cutoff for Band 1, over here I’m using Leif’s recommended setting of 45 Hz for the final low-cut (the HPF). So theoretically, anything from Band 1 isn’t even getting on the air. Probably not true in practice, but perhaps someone will expound on that.Here’s Leif’s notes from another thread about the Bass Boost and Bass Shape controls, for reference:
[quote author=”Leif”]Bass boost, when turned up, will:
Apply Parametric EQ before the multiband
AND raise the b1/b2 agc thresholds
AND raise the b1/b2 out mixBass boost when turned down will only:
Lower the b1/b2 agc thresholdsShape adjusts the shape of the PEQ as well as how much of b1 vs b2 to adjust.. shape minimum will adjust more of B1, shape maximum will adjust more of b2.
The crossover frequency (-3dB) point between B1 and B2 is 36hz, however the filters are nice and gentle, so in reality B1 is sub bass and B2 is mid bass.[/quote]
[quote author=”JesseG”]Not that you would need a limiter if you’re only adding 1-2db of EQ… which btw in some people’s books like mine – is a LOT.[/quote]
Jesse- Almost two years after you made the comment that "1-2db of EQ is a LOT", I’m very proud to say that I now agree with you.Today while working on a mix, I listened to it for a while, then adjusted EQ by 0.3 dB. Then I listened for a while longer, and said "yes that’s perfect".
Then I said, "Holy crap, my ears are now discerning 1/3rd dB!" What a wonderful discovery.
And those subtleties are their own reward, too. I imagine this is what wine tasters experience. Just thought I would give a nod of agreement, lo these many months later.
Just wanted to second Jesse on this one- there have been quite a few occasions where I used an ABX tester and discovered that something I thought I was hearing, I wasn’t actually hearing. It’s been a sobering experience, exposing the faults in my own psychology.
There’s an ABX tester for foobar2000 as well; pretty easy to use.
This situation is a particularly good candidate for ABX testing, since you referred to the differences as "subtle" and "very small". That makes it more likely that the mind is playing tricks on itself.
Yes definitely! Pink noise is by no means representative of real programming material. And the biggest limitation of using pink noise, of course is: it has no dynamics. So these graphs don’t show how each preset reacts to music.
In a situation where I’m looking for a different EQ, I use these graphs only to get a general visual reference of which presets would be best to try. Then it’s necessary to listen carefully to make the final determination, as you pointed out.
I’ve also been using this to compare different presets with each other.
For example, you could look at the Plutonium / Eruption / Rustonium family:
Awesome sgeirk! People who post their presets are doing God’s work.
I have a question for you in particular, because you had previously commented on the highs being "a little strident for my taste", and looking for a way to "calm the highs a smidge". I agreed with that assessment at the time, so after I saw this post I wanted to ask you how that issue worked out. Are you now pleased with the treble balance relative to other stations in the market? If so, do you know what solved that issue? (Switching from Plutonium to Eruption, or some other factor?)
Would appreciate any wisdom you gained regarding the highs. Thanks again!
Jesse’s settings are indeed the bomb. We’re using a minor variation of it that everyone seems to agree is "just right". We bumped up Max Gain in the B4 and B5 bands, in order to give it more room to achieve Jesse’s target width in those bands (100% and 85%, respectively).
