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[quote author=”modman”][quote author=”Leah Fortescue”][quote author=”celar”]Many of BBP’s presets are "almost perfect, but I want a different EQ".[/quote]
This is exactly how I feel. I know Leif plans a full-control version, but is this a possiblity for the regular Broadcast version? If you could just provide controls to adjust the multiband output mix, I would look no further.[/quote]
Yeah, I agree also…..Although the on-board presets are good, I sometimes feel like ripping my hair out becuase it needs a little more of this and a little less of that (sound-wise) for my own personal tastes![/quote]
Here’s an idea that might be an interim solution. Maybe I’ll try inserting an EQ plugin, as one of the effect plugins. That could potentially change the final band mix to sound like what I want.Admittedly it would have to be a crazy EQ curve to have any effect, since it’s before the multiband. The multiband compressor will try to cancel the effects of the EQ, so it’ll be a "battle royale" between the EQ and Breakaway!
Maybe worth a try, until BBP allows adjusting the band mix. If anybody else tries this idea, can you let me know how it goes, and what EQ plugin you like.
Already tried it with £700 VST EQ, the multiband in BBP just kills off any changes, the only way you could get this to work is by using the 12db or the 6db Clip presets only, in BBP. Then the audio becomes very flat added with some distortion, especially in 6db mode.
Having said that, I have just thought of a sneaky way of doing this, I’m going to try it first, but I’m 99% sure it will work! 😉
Hmmm let me see, does it involve running it through BBP twice?
You could do the first pass through BBP and use only the AGC and multiband compressor. (Turn down the Final Drive so no limiting or clipping occurs) Then run it through some EQ. And finally run through BBP again, with the Protection Clip preset.
Aah, wait a minute, that probably wouldn’t work either. "Protection Clip" doesn’t appear to engage the limiter, so there’d be no limiter in the chain.
Okay, I give up… await your results…. much thanks for any genius ideas!
Not that you would need a limiter if you’re only adding 1-2db of EQ… which btw in some people’s books like mine – is a LOT.
Also you would need to have licensed two copies of Breakaway, which will cost you just as much as the planned medium-level Breakaway Broadcast product has been rumored to possibly cost. 😉 And that version is mainly adding more controls. 8) See what I’m getting at? Just hold tight for it, and upgrade your license to that when it comes out.
Thanks Jesse; it’s good to hear someone close to the Leifmeister suggest that the intermediate version may be coming soon.
I will certainly try to hold tight. Me so HUNGRY for the band mix adjustments.
You’re very close celar, but not quite, here’s what you do….
You run Breakaway Live as your main processor then you Pipeline it to BBP, using only the 6db Clip preset.
This allows you to add EQ’s etc before the clipper by doing so in BBP effect chain.But as JesseG rightly said, this still means you have to buy 2 licences, costing a total of around $330 so it does work out pretty costly just for the software! 😉
Yes, yes, excellent. [evil mad scientist grin]
I’ll try out this scheme using demo versions, just for play.
Still a little concerned that no limiter would be in the chain. Jesse I hear you; maybe the limiter isn’t that critical because the clipper’s so good, but I have to think that the limiter helps the clipper be that much better.
Oh, and no worries on using too much EQ boost… my particular intention is to reduce a band. (I use the "Twente" preset, but it has a bit too much of the high frequencies)
Hi guys!
Running Breakaway Live into Breakaway Broadcast in order to insert plug-in between multiband and clipper is valid. It can work.
Caveats:
1. Turn down the final drive in Breakaway Live! Any limiting done in Breakaway Live will only add grunge and IM distortion. Turn it down all the way, let Breakaway Broadcast handle the clipping.
2. Use the PROTECTION LIMIT preset, not the PROTECTION CLIP preset. The Clip preset does not include the bass clipper or protection AGC, but the Limit preset does.Alternative solution:
Use a plug-in EQ with Breakaway Broadcast only, and turn down the Power control a bit. This *really works* — almost all the treble boost in the Twente preset (and most other presets) come from eq before the multiband, inside the breakaway core.
This is actually a very common way to design processors. Using the most canonical example possible, the Bass, Presence and Brilliance controls in an 8200 are all implemented as PEQ before the multiband. The Multiband does counter things to a degree, but really not that much. The original 8200 (1.0) had no out mix controls. 3.0 does, but only +/- 3.0dB, and if what I’ve heard is correct, Bob fought the marketing department tooth and nail for every dB! I understand him — I am just as worried about the final sound of my creation as I’m sure he was. 🙂
Best regards,
///LeifOh my God… HA- I am a first-class idiot. 😯
I mis-read the other preset… I thought they both said "Protection Clip 6dB" and "Protection Clip 12dB". Had no idea it said "Protection Limit"; please excuse the dyslexia.
Also, great idea to try the pre-EQ with Power reduced — it just so happens that I am already using Twente with power reduced, so the idea fits perfectly.
Awesome, awesome. Wow, Leif dude I may not have to keep bugging you for the final band mix after all.
[quote author=”JesseG”]Not that you would need a limiter if you’re only adding 1-2db of EQ… which btw in some people’s books like mine – is a LOT.[/quote]
Jesse- Almost two years after you made the comment that "1-2db of EQ is a LOT", I’m very proud to say that I now agree with you.Today while working on a mix, I listened to it for a while, then adjusted EQ by 0.3 dB. Then I listened for a while longer, and said "yes that’s perfect".
Then I said, "Holy crap, my ears are now discerning 1/3rd dB!" What a wonderful discovery.
And those subtleties are their own reward, too. I imagine this is what wine tasters experience. Just thought I would give a nod of agreement, lo these many months later.
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