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JesseG
MemberThat’s not his/her stream. 😉
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Yeah it’s processed very hard. Lots of distortion, even if it sounds good some of the time. The treble is slammed way too hard, not very crisp at all. The rest falls apart whenever the music goes from a verse to a chorus, hear how the chorus sounds weaker and more quiet??
Have you tried Breakaway’s CGSmooth preset yet? Or New York?
The Rusticity 83 preset with the bass turned up comes to mind too, but you have to do the INI tweak to enable those in the current Breakaway. Hopefully the next "budget" Breakaway products (what is currently out), when upgraded to the new framework, will have the new preset selection method, which is just a scrollable list of presets. So that (removing "unpopular" but still good presets) won’t have to be done.
JesseG
Memberthere’s tons of free linear EQs, check KVR.com 😉
July 31, 2010 at 8:19 pm in reply to: BREAKAWAY sound "energy" is killing my radiostation’s signal #11133JesseG
Memberwhat jitter percentage (low and high) is on the output, according to Breakaway’s test function?
JesseG
Member…and try the Motor City preset while you’re at it. I tried to make it impart a rock sound on everything, while being as slow and transparent as I could get. You may want a bit more bass on it, but I left the bass a tad low on purpose to put it somewhere in the 1980s as far as what the current sounds of rock albums were at the time. About in the middle so far.
This is Motor City without anything changed. The #1 metal (classic) net station in Europe.
http://91.121.201.88:8000/listen.plsAnother one that you might like is Helix, probably with the bass turned down a tad. I have a slightly updated version of that which is coming out with the new Breakaways, and I have a feeling that Helix fans will enjoy it. Not a major change, of course. (Moon & Spoon legacy, and also Jill FM… both have updates coming too)
And of course try Rustonium. It’s *still* my favorite preset overall for a more processed sound. It always seems to do the right thing, and it has pretty good parents (Plutonium and Rusticity).
I have another preset coming out called Tokyo that keeps blowing my mind tho. It’s so smooth and so in your face, at the same time. The midrange on it is unreal, and never muddy. I can’t wait till I decide it’s done, and of course for you guys to hear it.
JesseG
MemberAs far as what I remember (i go through & demo a TON of VST plugins all the time, so i can’t remember them all) the Anawida graphical EQs are purposely analog style, and so are not linear-phase either. So you will be introducing phase distortion, for starters.
That doesn’t mean you won’t be satisfied with it. But I’ve found that phase distortions that end up being "good" are only on a per-track basis. Not on a broadcast chain. So it’s up to you, personal taste.
Also be careful that the phase distortions aren’t just correcting for your own audio system, and screwing up playback on 90% of everything else. 😉
July 29, 2010 at 6:12 am in reply to: BREAKAWAY sound "energy" is killing my radiostation’s signal #11129JesseG
Membercamclone, what LOW-pass settings are you using, and are you using the Stokkemasker limiter?
JesseG
MemberAh yes, I forgot about the other newcomer, the Vorsis M1.
Also, I just discovered this brand new (not sure if it’s even out yet) offering from Sound4, the wonderful French company started by the guy that created the IDT DVP 🙂
http://www.sound4.biz/products/sound4%2 … minary.htm
It looks like it’s basically cream your pants awesome, if you have a Livewire setup. And it also looks like they have regular digital and analog versions planned too. This is one that I’m excited to eventually hear.[quote author=”Guillou”]I’m very curious JesseG, but can you tell us your DBX286A settings ?
Thanks[/quote]
It’s not relevant because every speaker (person talking) and microphone makes enough of a difference that the settings won’t be the same for even remotely the same voice texture, especially the difference in between speakers. That’s not to say that the DBX 286A can’t make any speaker sound better with the same "one size fits all" settings… but the real power comes with tailoring each voice processor for each speaker.I can tell you though, that I prefer a higher drive, and a lower density. That way you get more averaging of the volume, but the lower density setting makes the OverEasy circuit keep all of the shorter term dynamics much more open and natural sounding. I like more HF Detail enhance than LF, but not so much that you start to accentuate mouth sounds. And I like a fairly open downward expander, a ratio between 1.5 and 2 and a threshold that’s as tight as you can get away with considering the speaker’s ability (or inability) to work the mic properly. But it also depends on the room the speaker is in too. If it’s not sounding too noisy listening to the on air sound on headphones, you can back off the expander a bit to allow a more natural sound between the words. Just not so low that any noise "stuttering" happens during breath sounds, or problems like that. False gate releases. 😉
[quote author=”sergio”]i was asking which of the breakaway products was more suitable.[/quote]
Comparatively, and honestly?… None of the Breakaway products really are as suitable as what was mentioned so far besides the Urei LA4 which is just a limiter.Perhaps it’s about time for that to change, once the new generation of Breakaway products start becoming public. But we’ll save more on that for later. 😉
Just the same, our wrong answers have made a great topic so far, so I stickied it. 😆
JesseG
MemberPersonally I’m a fan of the DBX 286A (analog) mainly for the huge value, so i recommend it to a lot of people.
http://www.dbxpro.com/286A/index.php
These have a very wide range of sound you can get from them, and the voice-tuned OverEasy compression is awesome, with a setting over density that’s independent from the input gain. The gate is actually a gentle downward expander that sounds very natural, and basically an instant release (as in the gate instantly opens back up when you start talking).But if you have the cash to throw down, you want one of these:
http://yellowtec.com/VIP_digital.html
It doesn’t get better than a Yellowtec VIP for the everyday use on most stations in most situations. The dynamic de-essing and reverb is to die for, just perfect for voice. I consulted for a few stations that ran these, and their jocks all stood out on the dial on a totally higher plane than anyone else because of it.There’s also pretty great offerings from..
Symmetrix, 528E (analog) and 628 (digital, which i prefer, discontinued)
http://www.symetrixaudio.com/
These are all time classics, and sound great if you want a processed yet still somewhat natural sound.and their sister company AirTools, the Voice Processor 2x
http://www.airtoolsaudio.com/index.php? … &Show2=484If you want to sound larger than God on the dial, this is what you want
http://www.aphex.com/230.htm
Personally I don’t like them, they are tailored for that monstrously huge sound, so they don’t end up sounding as solid with a more natural yet still processed sound, like the Symetrix 528E/628 or the DBX 286A. But if you want that insanely huge sound, the 230 will deliver it without breaking a sweat.worth mentioning but not great imo…
Omnia ToolVox, discontinued, here’s the manual
http://omniaaudio.com/84-toolvox-users-manualworth mentioning and insanely great but probably way out of most people’s price range per unit… and something that relies more on the speaker having a halfway great voice already…
Manley VoxBox
http://www.manley.com/mvbx.php
loaded up with military grade new old-stock Mullard tubes from the 1960s… with a great mic like a Neumann U47, or a Milab VIP-50… and you will seriously CREAM YOUR SHORTS because of how insanely awesome this setup sounds. if you have the cash, splurge on an Eventide Reverb 2016 too, and i swear to god you will have a cot, refrigerator, and a shower setup in the booth within a week.JesseG
Member[quote author=”radio oude stijl”]I run a stream running AAC+V2 from BA live with the edcast plug-in (and 3dB attenuator) and the highs from most presets cannot be handled by the encoder…[/quote]
not all encoders are the same, even from version to version. if you haven’t updated to the latest CT codec that comes with the latest Winamp yet, I recommend it. the improvements that they make over the last 2 years are mostly focused on that 16-48 kbps range.[quote author=”Audio”]Unfortunately, since we are using Livelink and have no sound card (output is disabled in I/O Configuration) we have no way of checking or unchecking L/R Out De-emphasis (not sure which is the default) or to use the L/R PEQ controls…[/quote]
Not true. Breakaway installs a few instances of Breakaway Pipeline (licensed VAC) which for all intensive purposes… are soundcards as far as the software on your computer knows. Including Breakaway. 🙂 Just select one of those for the output and see what happens.Lastly… the pre-emphasis is always de-emphasized before it gets sent to the post-processing Winamp "Encoder" plugin chain. It still doesn’t mean you shouldn’t set the pre-emphasis to something that benefits your sound. Mainly being no pre-emphasis for a more delicate sound, and 25uS pre-emphasis for a loud sound because that can somewhat avoid the audible distortion when the lossy-encoded audio naturally clips upon decoding.
See what you find. 8)
JesseG
MemberHave you tried other methods besides Kernel Streaming (aka "KS")?
Have Bose confirmed the card (and its drivers) can even do Kernel Streaming?
JesseG
MemberFor sure even if they were the same price, with the Delta… much more of the cost in creating the card is in the raw audio quality… where as the ASUS is spent largely on licensing & chipset for supporting gaming audio technologies like Creative Labs EAX.
I would rock the ASUS in a gaming rig for sure, but forget it for anything else.
JesseG
MemberWho cares about AAC. With a name like BUTT, you can’t resist using it.
JesseG
Member[quote author=”dj silver”]for some unknown reason [..] sound device is busy.[/quote]
That’s the problem, as I suggested before. Did you try making the pipeline your default audio device instead of your real soundcard, and reboot the computer 1st… then start up Breakaway before OTS?—
@ the price and the support level… the pricing is waaaaaay too low to allow for much of any support, so it’s all we have.
When you make the core of a $15,000 flagship box that rules the TV airwaves (and making headway into FM/AM soon) available for this insanely cheap, that’s sort of par for the course. The $15,000 box gets great 24/7 phone/etc support, and the software that’s basically being given away, well…
Lastly, there’s nothing that the 2 (total) guys that operate CEAudio know about any of this, that the community here doesn’t. And more.
JesseG
MemberYep you NEED a 192kHz soundcard. There’s two big glaring problems with 96kHz right off the bat
#1 would be the loss in peak control, since your soundcard is removing part of the signal
#2 would be that the side channel audio is going to abruptly stop at a certain frequency so the spectrum balance is going to be dull, and that chopoff could possible cause ringing within the human auditory system as can happen with sudden cutoffs. depends on the song i guess. and in general your highs won’t be as separated and will be more dull than they were intended to be.
and there’s another problems but those are the two huge ones.
JesseG
Member[quote author=”post-it”]But shouldn’t the VS2005 sp1 package have taken care of that?
I assumed that that’s why it is mentioned in the MP3 tutorial…Which version should I install to fix this?[/quote]
I’m not sure. It’s possible that EdCast updated what it’s being compiled with.
And speaking of service packs, I guess I did leave out a few versions above. Such as VS2005 SP1 is v8.1, and 2008 SP1 is v9.1
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