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Hi,
We are setting up a web based rock station. Our automation system is on a server and linked to Breakaway via livelink (no soundcard). We bought licences to both the Live & BBP and have been testing both. Testing in mp3 128k, 192k and 320k.
We have been trying to find that "perfect" sound for the last little bit and have tested all kinds of combination that sounded "good", unfortunately we always notice the same problem: there is way too much high-end and not enough well rounded bass! Adding bass (plug-ins, bass boost, bass shape, etc.) doesn’t seem to solve the problem at all as we are still left with tons of high-end with the added bass just killing the available headroom. How can we achieve a coherent, warm and bassy sound on both small and large speakers (PC and Hi-Fi)?
To point to you the type of sound we’re aiming at, I am including here a link of a French webradio (web only) which has managed to put together an impressive sound, which compares favourably on any sound system: http://213.218.147.9:9000/listen.pls In comparison our stream is just transparent, it almost feels like we are just not hitting some frequencies right! How come? Could it be edcast, the calibration? Any ideas?
Would anyone have any ideas or suggestions how we could get to this kind of warm / bassy (yet not deafening) sound? I assume they are compressing the bass and playing with the stereo enhancement quite a bit, which Bands are they aggressively expanding?. http://213.218.147.9:9000/listen.pls
Thanks for your help!
Audio
Hello Audio , i think than your sound have good bass !!! and sound is good . For The configuration of edcast ask at jesseg 😉
ps; have you try bass efx of leif?
Check that if you have any pre-emphasis enabled, that you also have the corresponding de-epmphasis enabled for the L/R outputs.
Yep, we are using the efx-bass plugin.
Unfortunately, since we are using Livelink and have no sound card (output is disabled in I/O Configuration) we have no way of checking or unchecking L/R Out De-emphasis (not sure which is the default) or to use the L/R PEQ controls… (See attached print screen).
A couple of questions:
1) Is there a way to force these De-emphasis and PEQ controls without having a sound card?
2) Would anyone know of a reliable equalizer effect plug-in we could add to BBP’s audio chain?
3) In Edcast’s configuration file (dsp_edcast_v3_1.cfg) is there a way to alter (reduce) the midrange or highs?
Thanks,
Audio
[quote author=”Audio”]there is way too much high-end[/quote] Recognizable… 😕
I run a stream running AAC+V2 from BA live with the edcast plug-in (and 3dB attenuator) and the highs from most presets cannot be handled by the encoder…[quote author=”radio oude stijl”]I run a stream running AAC+V2 from BA live with the edcast plug-in (and 3dB attenuator) and the highs from most presets cannot be handled by the encoder…[/quote]
not all encoders are the same, even from version to version. if you haven’t updated to the latest CT codec that comes with the latest Winamp yet, I recommend it. the improvements that they make over the last 2 years are mostly focused on that 16-48 kbps range.[quote author=”Audio”]Unfortunately, since we are using Livelink and have no sound card (output is disabled in I/O Configuration) we have no way of checking or unchecking L/R Out De-emphasis (not sure which is the default) or to use the L/R PEQ controls…[/quote]
Not true. Breakaway installs a few instances of Breakaway Pipeline (licensed VAC) which for all intensive purposes… are soundcards as far as the software on your computer knows. Including Breakaway. 🙂 Just select one of those for the output and see what happens.Lastly… the pre-emphasis is always de-emphasized before it gets sent to the post-processing Winamp "Encoder" plugin chain. It still doesn’t mean you shouldn’t set the pre-emphasis to something that benefits your sound. Mainly being no pre-emphasis for a more delicate sound, and 25uS pre-emphasis for a loud sound because that can somewhat avoid the audible distortion when the lossy-encoded audio naturally clips upon decoding.
See what you find. 8)
Alright, thanks Jesse!
You are right setting the Output to Breakaway Pipeline 1 does the trick…. 🙄
The PEQ settings are indeed helpful. Though they take a while to getting used to, especially the width part…
I was wondering however, what do you think of the Anwida 31 Band EQ vst plugin? Has anyone tried it to satisfaction?
Thanks!
Audio
As far as what I remember (i go through & demo a TON of VST plugins all the time, so i can’t remember them all) the Anawida graphical EQs are purposely analog style, and so are not linear-phase either. So you will be introducing phase distortion, for starters.
That doesn’t mean you won’t be satisfied with it. But I’ve found that phase distortions that end up being "good" are only on a per-track basis. Not on a broadcast chain. So it’s up to you, personal taste.
Also be careful that the phase distortions aren’t just correcting for your own audio system, and screwing up playback on 90% of everything else. 😉
[quote author=”JesseG”]the Anawida graphical EQs are purposely analog style, and so are not linear-phase either[/quote]
Oh! Thanks for pointing this out we wouldn’t want to wreck it all… 8)
Well for linear-phase EQs… Wave has one as part of its Master bundle and Algorithmix sells one for around €1’000!!! 😯
Audio
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