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Actually tho… BAE automatically changes what the primary soundcard is, depending on if it’s running or hard bypassed or closed. 🙂 so you shouldn’t have to change any apps from primary unless your computer has something running that shouldn’t be using the soundcard, at a sample rate different than what you want to output.
BAE does use the multimedia keyboard key-presses too. you might have another global hotkey in some software on your system that’s "capturing" those keys… ?
p.s. for an all purpose on-board audio card… a 192kHz DAC through spdif in surround is the way to go. it’ll only upsample unless you’re recording from a 384kHz ADC or something. 😛
I agree with you that the future will bring us people that will create processing that does much finer detail, in a way that isn’t musically worse… which is what I meant by that, not in relation to P.A.
That’s the main question to ask; does a particular effect increase the enjoyment of the music, or not. 🙂 When you add the requirement to it that it needs to process all audio in realtime live and basically never make it sound worse… that’s a huge task to do.
Part of what will advance is the way that processors are controlled by the intelligence within the software, and the other part is how we humans tell it what we want. I think that will become more & more unconventional as the processing starts to have abilities to recognize properties/aspects of the audio & music, and give us knobs to adjust the ranges of operation. In order to succeed, the processing will also have to know when NOT to do things, and be the best at deciding such things. That will allow the controls to become simpler regardless of band count, if it’s even using bands.
Currently Breakaway core alone has a bit over 150 controls. With the internals plus all the controls everyone has in the GUI for the back-end, challenger, etc… it’s more toward 250 controls. Not including the speaker controller, etc. Tons of control, sure. Could be more easily controlled with some kind of audio AI over the top that you "guide" to do what you want to hear from the music? Heck yeah.
[quote author=”RodeoJack”]We’ve been going up and down in band counts since the Langevin Pro-Gar (was there something earlier?).[/quote]
The time of basically completely analog styled processing (with a few clipper tricks) is basically getting near to perfection. The next generation of those processors, which is starting to manifest in the clippers for Breakaway and Omnia.11 to start with, might not be band-based at all. The next generation of processors with an analog styled band-based core will probably be very close to as good as it’ll get. I give it about 10 years max for whoever is going to be the company to release it…As far as the Pro-Gar invention in the early 1930s, that is still upheld as the first audio compressor/limiter and I’ve never seen any evidence that would trump it. There was signal limiters before, sure… but nothing tuned to make speech & music sound good through it.
That’s what is more important than anything. Would an artificially restored Nights In White Satin actually sound better? I don’t know. 🙂 Sometimes what’s "wrong" with something is what makes it awesome, and sometimes "perfecting" that ruins it. See also: auto-tune.
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In relation to a show using Breakaway, but I can tell you… that was done with subwoofers. 8) Bring earplugs.In reference to Moody Blues… I’m not sure if some things can or should be corrected.
A little back story on that song, they booked Abbey Road for a whole year to record just that song, making it the most expensive song to record of all time. They also spent about 4 months only on the lead vocals, running *the* master tapes so many times across the heads that they almost lost the whole song and had to do some serious magic work (for back then) in order to save the fidelity you even hear now. Notice the huge fidelity jump after the main vocals end? 8) There simply isn’t fidelity to restore in the master recording of this. Anything added would have to be faked. :/
Lucifer Sam was taken from the new stereo mixes and restorative remaster in 2007. Unsurprisingly this was also basically intended to be a demo at the time, and was only recorded on 4 tracks. Total. 8) So again it’s a case of there not being any fidelity to restore & also the original noise reduced etc, so… for such an early recording, it’s doing decently. Even Woodstock was recorded in 16 tracks 😆 so Lucifer Sam is technologically a long way from those Woodstock multitracks which took a TON of work to sound like they do on the 40th anniversary box set – both Woodstock and the Floyd.
That being said…
We’re still not very far from the stone age, technologically speaking. I have no doubt that someone will figure out new awesome ways of processing audio that don’t sound worse than doing nothing.
As far as with analog style band-based processing, sometimes less (bands) is more. Research that basically everyone that has done a processor has done, has found out and will agree with. Why do you think FFT based processors like IDT’s DVP 7+4 are using virtual bands to simulate this even though they have the capability to be way more specifically detailed?
If someone puts in the effort to actually maintain it, contacts all of the people listed every month etc (this could end up being hundreds of people)… to make sure it stays up to date… Then the admins will think about making it a sticky.
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These lists usually end up being an exercise in inaccuracy otherwise, so at least a monthly full refresh would be required for it to not be like all the other attempts at a topic like this that I have seen.
Good luck. 8)
Hopefully the FCC adopts R128 as soon as possible.
I also can’t wait to show you guys my more advanced version of the short-term meter. I don’t know why, but for some reason everyone seemed to have trouble (?) making one that was gated but not reacting in realtime?
But yeah, I made one that should be at least as accurate to subjective loudness as the gated LU measurement. It responds instantly to audio input, with no perceptible delay at all for both TP (TruePeak) and LU. The short-term LU still of course ultimately having a 3000ms window on it. The gating is what makes it awesome.
Unfortunately because of problems during specifications, they decided to make the short-term meter have NO gate at all. The cool thing about my short-term gated meter is that I didn’t have to add another LFKS measurement hidden underneath besides the 2 required already. All I added was more logic conditions to the gating, to make it respond a lot closer to how the subjective loudness seems to change when the volume drops
I’ll definitely be sharing it, and it’ll definitely be free and cross platform. 8)
That info isn’t public yet, but I can tell you it’s being delayed on purpose until next year.
Sorry to be a bringer of bad news, but hopefully that’ll help out anyone that was still hoping (planning/waiting) for this year.
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[quote author=”Jippie46″]So there are two threads about mac-support! To be safe I say on this thread too: Please, please, please….[/quote]
I merged the topics. Please don’t beg.[quote author=”Jippie46″]Looks like a potentially very eagerly awaited application. 💡 😉[/quote]
I think we all knew it would be from the Volume Logic days, and a fully system-wide Breakaway is much nicer. 8)But yeah, try to keep discussion to something other than just begging. Maybe any concerns about feature requests for OSX in relation to how the Windows version works that might run into trouble in OSX, etc. You guys are creative, I’m sure you can think of a way to contribute to the eventual outcome.
[quote author=”Guillou”]Just a "out of topic" question… What’s the sax title at about 3:01"00 ?[/quote]
I’m totally not sure, because I’m pretty sure that I deleted that sometime after making the mix. Sorry. Maybe try one of those websites where you can hum part of the melody to find what song it is? 🙂[quote author=”Martin S”]Does anyone know what the name of the song is between 27:18 and 30:29? It’s beautiful! 😀[/quote]
I’m not sure what this track is. I *think* it’s The Flashbulb…I used to have the Winamp playlist of this while I was picking the tracks & order, also sadly gone.
I haven’t had that problem. Make sure Breakaway is running before you start FireFox of course, or FireFox and Flash will be using the wrong soundcard.
You could also try uninstalling Breakaway, and the installing the latest version as listed here:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=942
to make sure the pipeline is actually installed properly.good luck
The possibility from a technical standpoint depends on how Android opens up its audio engine. I’ve honestly never look at that much, other the oogling a few phones. I’m guessing it’s a full ALSA, so that shouldn’t be a problem – from a technical standpoint.
There are other concerns of course, like if it’s even worth it to make the product or not. Of course if I had an Android phone, I would want Breakaway on it!!! But it’s not that simple.
OSX on Intel is the only other platform that the full upcoming Breakaway framework will be available for, from what I understand. 8)
[quote author=”Jippie46″]We ALL want Breakaway, but I don’t think it’s going to happen.[/quote]
You assume too much. 8)I would love to hear the 11 and the Air too.
The AP2000 demo from Freakdag is almost not even worth using for comparison due to the problems with mono detection (i would hope they fixed that since then), and in the case of vs Breakaway… the Vorsis people switching the preset a lot for whatever reason.
Anyways, if Vorsis fixed (or almost completely removed) the awful LASER sound of their AP1000/2000 (caused all of the filters required for 31 bands of limiting) with the Air, then right off that’s a much better processor for my tastes. I’m not sure that would even be possible without adding delay.
[quote author=”maczrool”]At any rate it seems to be working pretty well now![/quote]
OK good. By the way, there’s audio files you can run that will test if you’re actually getting aliasing, not just if it’s ~audible. I recall some being on the Hydrogenaudio website. Aliasing is more audible and bad to some people than others, and some playback setups than others, so regardless this is a good test to run, to be sure.
