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I don't know sound cards, but you can get upgraded to the Full FM core for free since you own Breakaway ASIO: https://www.claessonedwards.com/free-upgrade/
However if you're not planning on using the FM features, you might be able to get a fully decked out HD core and the Management Package. It all depends on what you need to do.
[quote author=beej6 link=topic=5923.msg20393#msg20393 date=1579703566]
They are usually trying to achieve a "signature sound" beyond what the main processor is producing.
[/quote]Sure. In search of the elusive 'signature sound' you eventually want to obtain, it seems perfectly valid to even add redundant processing to the mix. As long as you and your audience are happy enough.
[quote author=evert22 link=topic=5923.msg20392#msg20392 date=1579654167]
That is where I cited my concern: While the manuals of the processors of other brands, except BAO. They recommend sending flat audio, without any processing prior to the input of the FM processor.[/quote]I always took the warning not to use extra pre-processing to mean they want to keep product support as easy as possible for the company (kinda like how modifying various types of hardware often voids your warranty). After it leaves their processor, it's out of their hands and whatever one does to the sound from that point on is at their own risk of degrading quality. But if it comes in raw, they can help explain why things sound the way they do.
If I'm not mistaken, some previous Breakaway Broadcast products had Winamp DSP plugin support for things like Leif's own Phase Tornado (presumably the predecessor to Phase Scrambler in the Omnias). So that's probably why BAO doesn't warn against it.
Leif's previous Omnia products had Undo before the main processing chain. So my assumption of Leif's philosophy is that a declipper VST might even be suggested as long as it's like the first thing in the chain.
Hi. I'm a hobbyist with no analog equipment, rack modules, or even a 'real' sound card. Having said that disclaimer I still think that sub-harmonic enhancement, via a VST plugin on the input, helps fill in the bottom end. I use a Buttkicker for monitoring bass, so the extra low stuff needs to be additionally enhanced or filled in just a little bit for me.
But really I guess it depends on the capabilities processor itself. You don't want to add anything redundant, unless it's just part of the sound you want to have. I'm from the perspective that audio rules are made to be broken… except when it's actually illegal.
In the case of BreakawayOne, there's a lot of 'secret sauce' in the formula. So I don't know how much harmonic excitement, if any, is under the hood. It's been a while since I skimmed through an Omnia 7/9 manual, so I can't remember if BreakawayOne's ultimate versions have harmonic flavor added. I'm also not really sure what the Bass EFX, Clunk, and Slam functions do or if Stereo Enhancement is required to be on/up.
I'm looking at that Behringer you mentioned. I might be interested in having that thing to precondition my Buttkicker and Subwoofer. I'm watching the TWIRT on Texar Audio Prism right now.
edit: Okay after skimming the Omnia 7FM and 9 manuals it doesn't appear that any sub harmonic enhancement is in the O7, which is apparently closest to BAO. It is, however, in the 9 and 11. Telos calls it Solar Plexus, but I'm not certain who designed it; as it seems to have started with the O11 (which is Cornelius Gould's).
I'm not seeing upper harmonic enhancement in the features for O7 except for perhaps Phase Scrambler, which doesn't seem to be in BAO (?). So those effects wouldn't be redundant.
[quote author=ddtop link=topic=5904.msg20359#msg20359 date=1577913694]
…next will be
BreakawayOne – 7 bands (2020 version)?Happy new Year!!!
[/quote]Hmm, interesting. I'd totally take 7-bands; but my primary wish would be a way to buy the multiband expander portion of Undo.
Happy new year!
It looks like there are 30 presets total that are 5-bands or fewer in both the AM zip and the 3.20.04 patch. Many are already included in BreakawayOne. I've attached a zip with them sorted by bands. The root directory is full of 5-band presets only. I've actually really taken to the All News Aggressive preset from the O.7/9 AM zip. It fits my morning routine better than my previous vocal clarity setting.
It would be nice to have BAone say something when you load a preset that has arguments/controls for functions that aren't available, and maybe a short list of what they are. That way we can more easily tell if an Omnia preset in BAone is very far from its intended sound.
[quote author=beej6 link=topic=5904.msg20355#msg20355 date=1576963630]
1. Fleetwood Mac – Seven Wonders
2. ? (short selection)
3. Tasmin Archer – Sleeping Satellite
4. ? (non-English or mixed duet?)
5. Norah Jones – Seven Years
[/quote]Much appreciated!
The 4th one was the one I was most curious about. Perhaps I'll go back and try to Shazam it or something.[quote author=ddtop link=topic=5904.msg20357#msg20357 date=1577049850]
The 4th song is Youssou N'Dour & Cherry – 7 seconds
[/quote]Excellent!
Thank you both!
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Oh, thank you for than bit of information, Jesse. I'll look more deeply into the O.7
edit: Here are the O.7 and O.9 AM presets available in a zip from Telos:
https://www.telosalliance.com/images/Omnia%20Products/Omnia%207/omnia7_9_ampresets.zipNot currently having success finding anything that would lead to FM presets (such as a patch).
But I did come across this Omnia.7 video that doesn't seem to be on YouTube. Fills in a few gaps.
https://www.telosalliance.com/support/Omnia7FM-Demonstration-with-Leif-ClaessonI am also curious about the musical artists Leif was playing.
[quote author=ddtop link=topic=5894.msg20334#msg20334 date=1573208699]
hello,
You should able to use same input for full fm with hd core + streaming in ASIO mode. (do not enable any WDM when is asio in use)
Marian trace Alpha have only one I/O A/D and D/A analog converters. Trce8 give more I/O.
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I'm almost certain he doesn't need an HD core either. Full FM comes with an L/R non-MPX output equivalent to what one would get from an HD core. You would only need two cores if you plan on applying different processing to each output.-Ty
Hi! I'm only an HD core user, so I'm not completely certain if this is correct, but I believe you only need the Full FM core. It appears to come with a primary MPX output and a non MPX (HD?) L/R Output, as you can see on the right side of the image.
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I'm only familiar with HD cores and non-professional hardware for personal listening/gaming, but I'll try to help. The first thing that comes to mind is buffer size. Have you tried lowering it? I assume you're using ASIO as well.
There's also an extra low latency mode that I use, but it probably wouldn't be good for things on the air. It's in Core Output> Miscellaneous> I/O> Processor> Latency Mode.
BAE ($30) doesn't have an upgrade path to BA1 ($150 minimum)
edit: I don't know if this is a thing that applies to BAone HD core but:
[quote author=Leif link=topic=1010.msg7343#msg7343 date=1272516300]
Mwyann,Please mail broadcast at claessonedwards dot com and ask for the $15 loyalty discount for BAE customers buying Live. It's not an upgrade, you get to keep both. <!– s:) –>:)<!– s:) –>.
[/quote]Hopefully I can use this BAE Loyalty discount on the Management Package or a Streaming module for my HD core since i was not aware of it when I purchased my license.
Hi Mark! So I don't have any real experience with the NfRemote or Management Package (service mode) but I was able to find some info tucked inside Omnia user guides/manuals.
First there's this the latest official Omnia9 manual which has info spread throughout.
https://www.telosalliance.com/images/Omnia%20Products/Omnia%209/Omnia9_Audio_Processing_Manual_Book_C18315032.pdfSecond there's this what looks like an older Omnia manual with an NfRemote chapter.
http://www.manualsdir.com/manuals/782583/omnia-audio-omnia9_xe.html?page=84&original=1Finally there's a chapter in this Z/IPstream manual.
https://www.bionics.co.uk/Images/Products/PDFs/32.pdfI hope you can find what you're looking for. And please post your solution for others who might have the same issue.
EDIT: Okay I grabbed NfRemote and put on Management Package and service mode. At first I had some awful feedback loop, but it was due to a misconfiguration in my ASIO input. What ended up working to get audio to play out was a power button that I circled in the attached image. Make sure to select the correct output device.
I didn't do anything special for it to recognize my audio outside of connecting to "localhost:8200".
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Ah, yeah I could see that. I will say that BreakawayOne supports high DPI scaling, though. I don't know how much of an effort it would require or if BAE could be imported into the BAO gui framework. That would be rad though.
[quote author=rbfn2005 link=topic=5873.msg20290#msg20290 date=1569846445]
Interesting and worrying, because I'm testing both to get one of them.
Will I have to buy both at once? 😮
[/quote]Oh, I see. I was under the impression you already had (at least a basic license for) Stereo Tool since you mentioned it in your post.
My recommendation is to get BreakawayOne first, then a basic Stereo Tool license later after you feel like you've exhausted your bass options in BreakawayOne. But definitely try the various presets in BreakawayOne before deciding to buy anything.
I'm not at all experienced in any hardware audio processors, but I've gotten about a year's worth of hours listening in BreakawayOne with Stereo Tool as a VST plugin.
My current method for big bass is to use the TrueBass (sub-harmonics detector/generator) module of Stereo Tool, used as a VST plugin within BreakawayOne. Try this and lowering the "Final Limiter Drive" (Core > Audio Processor > Final) and/or swapping presets to "French Kiss" or "Nebula" something with multiple AGCs before the Multiband.
I'd like to hear other peoples' ideas too.
