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  • #3646
    afterburner1
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    Hi everyone, I know this is the Professional section of the BA products, so hopefully my question does not come up as too naive.

    I've been a paid user of Leif's outstanding home-usage products since Volume Logic for Winamp and now for BAE since its release. I recently got the bug to try BAOne, as it seems it gets more attention or updated more frequently. I would like set up BAOne to work just as BAE does, but I'm having a hard time trying to guess what most of the options even mean or do.
    Clock master candidate? if it keeps my Windows clock accurate I will select it, but I highly doubt this is its usage.
    Adaptive sample rate conversion? Sample rate 48000 vs 44100? kernel streaming vs wave? …….WHAT??? ! I just want to listen FLAC files, thank you.

    Is there a tutorial for of simple guide to set up BAOne as BAE? Something that tells you what to ignore and what to use for home usage? I doubt a wizard exists for BAOne since it's a professional product, but I really need something like that.

    I have selected to use the HD audio Core, then Realtek HD audio input (since I'm using the aux output from my motherboard), and selected breakaway pipeline as output (as this was how to setup BAE using the wizard). But the more I try to advance, the more questions come up. Should I uninstall BAE before trying to install BAOne? Was it OK to select breakaway pipeline as output or it only appears as an option since I did not uninstall BAE in the first place?  and so on.

    Hopefully somebody can point me in the right direction.

    Thanks!

    @Leif, I'm glad to read you're catching up with the development of the BA products. Hopefully the home usage line, will get more presets and improvements as BAOne. I'm praying that someday there will be some BAE+ version, including the UNDO declipper, as it seems a necessity with all modern recorded music. Good luck on your house move and love your software!

    #15236
    Milky
    Keymaster

    I don't know BAE at all, as I came to this forum from a different route. I DO have BA1 running an HD core successfully, and I can take you through those steps. Basically leave everything as the default except the necessary input and output selections and you should get something. Fine tuning can come later.

    This is a potted version which may help.

    First, select your HD Core.

    Main Configuration > Audio Processing Cores > HD Cores and drag the slider until it says "1".

    Now configure the core.

    Main Configuration > HD Processor > Core Feat – at this stage, leave all these options off.

    Main Configuration > HD Processor > Input > Interface > Select Kernel Streaming (if there are problems later, you might need to change this, but it is the best option).

    Main Configuration > HD Processor > Input > Select Breakaway Pipeline 1 (This is the device you will need to select as output in your playout software).

    Main Configuration > HD Processor > Input > Sample Rate > (I use 48000).

    Main Configuration > HD Processor > Input > Block Size > (I use 960, but click on the "Auto-Configure Block Size" button and accept the recommendation).
    Click on "Run Test" and aim for the lowest jitter rate. Usually the auto test option is best.

    Main Configuration > HD Processor > Output > Interface > Select Kernel Streaming.
    All other output options can remain OFF

    Main Configuration > HD Processor > Speakers > Select Kernel Streaming
    All other speakers options can remain OFF

    Now, setup ASIO.
    Common Audio Devices > ASIO > Main > Select your ASIO sound card from the drop down.

    Common Audio Devices > ASIO > Main > ASIO Driver Control Panel. This should open your audio device interface. set sample rate, buffer size etc in there, exit out of it and then select "Reload Driver". This will map any changes back into BA1.

    Common Audio Devices > ASIO > Main > Set Device Sample Rate. I turn this on and then select 48,000.

    Common Audio Devices > ASIO > Inputs > Both Left and Right can stay OFF.

    Common Audio Devices > ASIO > Outs > Common Monitor Output. I have both L/R OFF.

    Common Audio Devices > ASIO > Main > HD Processor > Select your usual sound device outputs e.g SPDIF 1/2. These would be the channels you would select in software if not using BA1.

    #15237
    JesseG
    Member

    amazing reply Milky. Much love 🙂

    #15238
    afterburner1
    Member

    Milky, thank you so much for taking the time to write the instructions!. My nephew accidentally spilled water on desktop PC, so I spent the last couple days building a new one and trying to recover as many files as I can.

    I have not tried installing BAOne again, as I'm using a friends PC for now, but I will follow your instructions and reply any findings as soon as I have my new computer running.

    Thanks again for your help, and I apologize for not replying sooner.

    #15239
    afterburner1
    Member

    Ok, so I decided to give it a try while using my friend's PC since he asked do a fresh install of Win10 Pro on the machine.

    It's a Ryzen build with a MSI B450 motherboard, I'm using the audio output on the back of the MB and no other dedicated audio sound card.

    I followed the instructions, installing the BA Pipeline and setting it as the default output, and everything when fine until reaching the ASIO setup part, as none options under "common audio devices" show any ASIO related setting (I checked under both tabs, "common monitor output" and "internal PLL"). 

    Does BA1 requires a dedicated sound card or could it be that the motherboard does not support ASIO? Other than showing "BA Pipeline" under "interface kernel streaming" setting, it shows "Realtek HD Audio Output" and "NVIDIA high definition audio".

    If I try to continue without these steps, close the settings and start BA1, as soon as I start playing a YouTube video, I get some kind of audio echo or noise loop that continues to "grow" from quieter to louder (if that makes any sense). This sound continues to play even when the video has stopped.

    I also tried removing BA1 and installing BAE and it worked fine following the built-in wizard. So maybe BAE does not require any ASIO support in comparison to BA1?

    Thanks again.

    #15240
    MrKlorox
    Participant

    Make sure ASIO4ALL is installed and reload the driver before ever opening the ASIO driver control panel. You should then be able to choose your sound devices.

    #15241
    Milky
    Keymaster

    [quote author=MrKlorox link=topic=5780.msg20135#msg20135 date=1558011122]
    Make sure ASIO4ALL is installed and reload the driver before ever opening the ASIO driver control panel. You should then be able to choose your sound devices.
    [/quote]

    Only use ASIO4ALL if you want a pseudo ASIO driver. It just makes kernel streaming calls, and emulates ASIO. You might be able to achieve it without going through another layer of drivers.

    #15242
    MrKlorox
    Participant

    I mean you don't really need to use ASIO for home listening, but it helps. BAE and BA1 both support Kernal Streaming. This may be easier to set up if you don't want to download an extra piece of software or buy an audio device with its own real ASIO drivers.

    Open the configuration and go to Common Audio Devices > Common Monitor Output

    Then select Kernal Streaming with Realtek as your output device.


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    #15243
    JesseG
    Member

    There's literally zero reason to use the fake ASIO4All if the software you're trying to use already has Kernel Streaming support. It's just adding another link in the chain to break, and also adding more latency which is the opposite of the idea of using ASIO in the first place.

    Not sure how ASIO got mentioned in that setup guide at all there afterburner1, but I would just ignore that part of it. You don't need ASIO at all. 😉

    #15244
    Milky
    Keymaster

    [quote author=JesseG link=topic=5780.msg20157#msg20157 date=1558617597]
    Not sure how ASIO got mentioned in that setup guide at all there afterburner1, but I would just ignore that part of it. 😉
    [/quote]

    I only included it, JesseG, because my sound card has ASIO capability, and I took a chance that afterburner's did too. If the card doesn't support it, the option doesn't show in BA1. I should have mentioned that.

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