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I suppose two active cores, one for all the audio sources which do not need VST processing, and one with VSTs configured would work. Or VSTs configured for both cores, but disabled by selection in one. It seems a giant sledge hammer to crack a nut, but it would work.
Hi “schamass” (Erik), and welcome to the forum.
As I say in my (rather lengthy) response above, the issue really is that you can’t inject any other INPUT into Ots, as the only configuration options are at the OUTPUT stage. If you could squirt the Reaper processing in after Ots decodes the music, but before any DSP, then the final mix passed to BAE (or directly to audio devices) would include the music PLUS the SFX.
The only option afforded to us is to capture the
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from Ots into VAC and re-process this in BAE. I don’t know Reaper at all, but I am surprised that you can’t “see” VAC as an output option. If you could, then it should be easy to create a “Y” cable, where both Ots and Reaper drop their output into the same VAC and then BAE could process the entire mix.
I also own a BA1 licence, and have used exactly the same concept in my main studio
As I said, I am doing just that in my studio. My turntable cartridge output goes to a tube pre-amp, and that output goes to an ADC. The resultant digital signal is dropped into the same virtual cable as Ots, because the ADC driver “sees” the VAC as an output option. Therefore, I could (but don’t) play both Ots and a record at the same time, and both would go through (in my case) BA-One processing.
If Reaper could see the VAC, you should be able to do the same, so that may be a limitation of Reaper.
I also use a VST in BA1 to correct the RIAA curve on records, and you are right, there is no way to
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route through a VST, other than to enable/disable the VST. I use an Auto Hot Key (AHK) program I developed which lets me do some tricky things, one of which is to enable or disable VST at the press of a button. BA1 has the ability to send commands via the web interface if you have the management package.
If I accidentally leave the RIAA curve VST on, all of Ots music also gets corrected, whether needed or not. In real life, if I am playing records, I simply disable the VST at the start of the session, and of course, Ots is either not playing, or is paused, so only one sound source goes through BA1.I agree that a manual would be of great benefit, and I have offered to contribute to that. What I can tell you is that 32 bit VSTs ONLY are supported, and there is a section where you “point” BA1 to the VSTs and they then show up in the list. There is also a global on/off switch which will bypass all VSTs if switched off.
This is virtually a repeat of my comments on the Ots forum.
If you install Ots out of the box, it will automatically grab the default Windows output device for the processed signal to go to your ears. You have no INPUT option at all. This is because Ots generates the raw audio directly from the selected track at the KERNEL level. It then passes it through the Ots Graphic Equalizer settings and on to the Dynamics Processor settings, before handing it to the selected Windows output device.
So the path is something like – Audio codec > EQ > DSP > selected Ots output device . The first three steps in this process cannot be separated, because the paths are locked into the Ots program.
The way that BAE works is to define a Virtual Audio output device (Virtual Audio Cables or VAC) which is visible to Ots as a selectable output device. This captures the output from Ots DSP stage (which should be turned OFF to avoid double processing) and routes it through BAE’s own DSP, and then on to the selected output device. Now the path is – Audio codec > EQ (Flat) > Ots/DSP (Turned off) > BAE Virtual Audio Cables as Ots output > BAE/DSP > selected BAE output device
You are trying to inject SFX into Ots to piggy-back along with the music, but there is nowhere that you can insert them, because there is no defined INPUT point in Ots. Nor is there an input point option in BAE, other than VAC, which should be visible to other programs, such as the one you are using for effects.
VAC is not fussy where its music comes from, and it is possible to define the one cable in multiple programs. I think that I mentioned this in my studio setup, where I have Ots and the output from a phono preamp/analogue to digital converter defined simultaneously. This means that I can play Ots and also play a record and both would be heard at the same time, because they share the same VAC. I can’t see why you couldn’t do the same thing, assuming that VAC is visible as an output device in your effects program.
Breakaway Audio Enhancer’s big brother, Breakaway One, has the ability to add VSTs, so it would be possible to add the effects VST into BA1, and mix all your SFX at the pre- or post-DSP stage. You still don’t get the input option you want in Ots (and never will), but you get it at the later stage once Ots has passed the signal on to VAC.
Now the path would be – Audio codec > EQ (Flat) > DSP (Turned off) > BA1 Virtual Audio Cables as Ots output > VST/SFX > BAE/DSP > selected BA1 output device if you want the SFX to be modified by the BA1 preset
Alternatively Audio codec > EQ (Flat) > DSP (Turned off) > BA1 Virtual Audio Cables as Ots output > BAE/DSP > VST/SFX > selected BA1 output device if you do not want the effects double processed.I’m not sure if this is what you are looking for, but there is a “logs” folder at C:\Users\{user name}\AppData\Local\BaRemote\logs.
Presets are “in the ears of the beholders”, so it depends on the genres you play and the sound that you are looking for.
I can comment on using turntables, because the worst way that you can use them is on a traditional desk or table top, simply because the very sensitive stylus can easily pick up any vibrations and therefore create a feedback loop. My radio station has the turntables hinged to a solid brick wall and suspended by chains, and this dramatically reduces resonance and feedback. I have seen other stations with a layer of thick felt, then a solid concrete block (like a paver), and then the turntable on spring legs.Obviously, if the studio monitors are cranked too high, this will exacerbate the situation.
So, let me get this straight. You have PC one connected to a gigabit switch, and PC two connected to the same switch. You are streaming PC1 to PC2 via BA1 and you are getting dropouts?
Great that you got something happening! Perhaps a Passthrough core would work as well and be cheaper.
Pass-through
No audio processing, but all other routing features are included.
Can be upgraded with Streaming Encoders and Livewire+/AES67 Support, making it ideal for feeding a remote transmitter site through IP.Thankyou MrKlorox. I have searched all of the parameters listed when you type http://{BA1 computer IP}:8282 and I can’t find the parameter that you mention. Ctrl + F search for “misc/stream_output” yields nothing either.
If indeed that parameter exists, but is just not in the list for some reason, it is possible to modify any of the parameters using the cURL command, available in Win10 and downloadable for earlier OS. For instance, to enable VST, send this command in a batch program.
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curl –silent –output nul http://BA1BOX:8282/parameter/hd1/misc/vst_enable=1
where “BA1BOX” would be the name of the PC on which Breakaway1 is running, and “hd1” would be the name of the HD core.
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curl –silent –output nul http://BA1BOX:8282/parameter/hd1/misc/vst_enable=0
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Following that logic, the command to adjust the stream level to 6 would be
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curl –silent –output nul http://BA1BOX:8282/parameter/hd1/misc/stream_output_attenuation=6
Thankyou, Timmywa. I had a feeling that I had read that dialogue, and tried various searches to turn up the old subject, but couldn’t find the right search words. I had a feeling that Leif said he would include a control in a later release.
Hi Jeff, thank you for reaching out. I’m not a “streamer”, so I waited in the hope that someone who has streams running would chime in with an answer. I also forwarded your query on, but haven’t yet received a response.
I’ll do some independent research on my test system and get back to you. Meanwhile, I (and Jeff) would appreciate any advice.I’m not sure what you mean by “outside of the GUI”.
Are you saying that you want to send commands via a batch program? Are you aware of the web server interface available through your browser at {IP}:8282? This gives you the full list of parameters that you can set and/or interrogate. You can change the parameters using something like cURL.Can you please provide some screenshots of your inputs and output etc? It’s hard to debug from your description.
I have raised this issue with Leif, and he has responded that he will take care of it. However, he also pointed out that there is absolutely NO advantage in installing the latest version on a Windows 8 PC. The update to 1.42 was to address a Windows 10 problem after a Microsoft update, but the BAE code was unchanged, only the VAC version.
As pointed out, version 1.40.03, which was the current version when Win 8 was the dominant OS, works perfectly.OK, thank you for the detailed information. I’ll pass it on and seek a resolution. It appears that what was needed to fix Win10 has broken Win8.
If you are going to place subs at the front and rear, you will need to experiment with the phasing of the speakers, else they will cancel each other out. The theory behind it is that, by the time the waves get to the back of the room and meet the waves coming forward, they are a half-wave out of phase, and so cancel each other out. If your subs have a phase control, try various settings with the same piece of bass-heavy music, and settle for the one that sounds smoothest when you are in your listening position. If you don’t have phase control, try swapping the + and – cables so that one speaker is pushing forward on a positive pulse (the “normal”) and the other speaker is pushing backwards on the same pulse.
