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  • #3873
    kkaras
    Participant

    Anyone knows what would be tilt correction for this Behringer card?

    #16170
    yorkie98
    Participant

    There will not be a pre-set level for any sound card. It will depend upon the individual card as the tilt on identical cards can vary and also the transmitter you are connecting to will make a difference as not all transmitters are flat.

    #16171
    Milky
    Keymaster

    This needs an oscilloscope and the ability to modify the card to suit. The “Standard” outout can be viewed on the oscilloscope, but then the circuit needs to be modified, possibly by removing components, changing their values or cutting tracks in the circuitry.

    I’ll see if I can find some “tilt correction for dummies” instructions, but it still comes down to trial and error.

    • This reply was modified 3 years, 11 months ago by Milky.
    #16274
    Radio Incontro
    Participant

    Have you find somewhere about tilt correction and calibration?

    #16276
    Milky
    Keymaster

    I am still trying to find something we can all look to as the definitive guide.
    Most manufacturers will produce documentation, but it is always skewed towards their particular product.
    I want a instructions which embrace at least most quality sound card providers.

    #16285
    pos1
    Participant

    I had the opportunity to test several sound cards with BA1. As a reference transmitter I used the RVR link of the PTRL NV series, with very good phase and amplitude response.
    The results are as follows:
    UMC HD 202
    perfect square 60Hz: tilt BA1 = 0
    MPX response:
    + 0.3dB at 30Hz; -0.8dB at 57KHz
    +/- 0.3dB from 30Hz to 45KHz

    Disadvantages:
    – nasty noise that starts to grow exponentially from 60 + KHz (visible only with an oscilloscope or spectrum analyzer)
    -very low main out level

    M-Audio Air 192/4
    perfect square 60Hz: tilt BA1 = 8
    MPX response:
    + 0.5dB at 30Hz; -0.2dB at 57KHz
    +/- 0.2dB from 60Hz to 60KHz

    Disadvantages:
    -unstable work with older computers (core2duo). The sound is intermittent.

    Presonus studio c28
    perfect square 60Hz: tilt BA1 = 15
    perfest square 60Hz (HP out) = 4
    MPX response:
    -0.2dB at 30Hz; -1.8dB at 57KHz
    +/- 0.5dB from 60Hz to 30KHz
    Disadvantages:
    -Significant rolloff at 57KHz
    -Audible audio echo loop if card input and headphone output are used

    scarllett 2i2 3gn
    perfect square 60Hz: tilt BA1 = 7
    MPX response:
    -0.2dB at 30Hz; -1.1dB at 57KHz
    +/- 0.5dB from 60Hz to 35KHz
    Disadvantages:
    -ground loop PC problems (audio interference)
    -a nasty noise that starts growing exponentially from 60 + KHz identical to the con Behringer card

    My choice: If you know how to make a sharp low pass damping filter 60KHZ +, a good choice is the Behringer 202 or 404, primarily because of the price. It should be noted that the line in inputs are slightly lighter, so the eq input parameters need to be further adjusted.
    Also the output from this card is quite low, so with individual broadcast equipment it may not be possible to achieve 75k deviations without additional preamp. The headphone output can serve as an improvisation for this purpose.

    #16293
    MPX Web Radio
    Participant

    Remember to use the Headphone Amp output to feed your transmitter MPX input. on the transmitters i’ve set up the value is always beteen 0 and 10 (tilt adjustment). To calibrate your transmitter you will need a modulation monitor. set the 400hz test tone and adjust until it shows 100% of modulation / 75khz carrier index. Then try the Square Wave test tone. if modulation go over 100% with this, you will need to do more adjustments. First put the sine wave test tone and go put 30hz. withe the PEQ you will need to make the frequency response the same from 30hz to 100hz. then do the square wave calibration another time and play with the Tilt compensation slider until you get 100% of modulation again. If you have a oscilloscope connected to the MPX Output of the modulation monitor it will be extremely easy to calibrate.

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