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DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID: VISTA_DRIVER_FAULT<br /><br />SYMBOL_NAME: portcls!PcWmiLogEvent+60<br /><br />FOLLOWUP_NAME: MachineOwner<br /><br />MODULE_NAME: portcls<br /><br />IMAGE_NAME: portcls.sysYeah, it's the Breakaway Pipeline crashing.
I'm looking into having a new Breakaway Pipeline driver & installer built,
and I'm looking into having a new WinLicense driver from Oreans available for Windows 10, which should get rid of all of the main problemsthat a few people are having, but just the same… the maintwoproblemsright now for Windows 10.Actually… this is one thing that has changed since the backend was ported. PowerPC doesn't really matter anymore. So the TON of Intel architecture-specific optimizations wouldn't have to be ported. The GUI would be very easy to port, since the only thing it relies on in Windows now is "BLIT" to display the software-rendered (but hardware-accelerated) GUI to the screen. The current Breakaway software actually uses Windows Common Forms that are hooked to basically hack pretty graphics and altered controllability into it. It's actually VERY impressive how it's working now, but the new method is extremely portable on the Intel platform. The reset of the port would mainly be adding new soundcard code, new file-related code, new hardware detection code for copy protection, new networking code, new touch-screen related code, new font code, and probably a dozen other things I'm not thinking of right now on account of how tired I am right now. It's still a LOT of work to do it, but it's less than it was before because Leif spent over a year moving everything into "NewFramework" (his unified code platform), and then nearly 2 years working on other things for it which would have been required to do to release Breakaway anyway.
But it would also not really be a port, but just different builds of NewFramework. So… until you hear about a Telos-related processor from Leif running on Linux… I wouldn't hold your breath. 🙁
Yes, you need to change Skype to use the soundcards that you're using with Breakaway.
If you're using Breakaway to process your voice, then you need the output soundcard of Breakaway to be the input soundcard of Skype.
If you're using Breakaway to process the output of Skype, you need the output soundcard of Skype to be the input soundcard of Breakaway.
The first Input and last Output of the pair should be whatever sources you want… so for input… your microphone. The output should be whatever soundcard you want the sound to come from.
"FM Mode" is meant to be used for those cheap (and generally crap) FM transmitters that only have Left/Right inputes, instead of a composite MPX input. The "bypass" button is to bypass the audio processing, not whatever backend is being used. So for instance, with Breakaway Broadcast Processor, "Bypass" doesn't turn off the pre-emphasis, the clipper, the stereo encoder, or the soundcard calibrations – any of which would be a very very bad idea to disable before an FM transmitter.
The EQ in FM Mode is for calibrating the soundcard, and also to pre-compensate for the cheap FM transmitter's limiter response, so that the signal going into the cheap FM transmitter can be set slightly lower than where the limiter kicks in, but to also get the maximum loudness possible despite the cheap FM transmitter's usually sever limitation.
The next Breakaway stuff that comes out will at least add a treble control within the processing. That's the #1 requested feature.
I'm guessing you're using Windows XP, since with Windows Vista and later only the user can change what the default soundcard is, not the software. Anyway, your experience is the normal way Windows operates. Changing the default soundcard with any software playing will interrupt playback unless the software that's playing audio out detects that the default soundcard has changed, and re-initializes output to use the new default soundcard. Most software doesn't do that.
[quote author=Lilrex link=topic=5161.msg18454#msg18454 date=1438488489]
[..]abandonment [..] you will receive no actual support with them in the event something goes wrong.[/quote]
There wasn't any support besides these forums from day one. 🙂 There's also no warranty at all. That's partly why the prices are crazy low. Nothing regarding that has changed from day one.[quote author=SoundGuy1 link=topic=5161.msg18453#msg18453 date=1438470950]
Sound Card
You guys have mentioned the Marian Trace Alpha, ESI Juli and Maya44. Which would you recommend for our application? We will be sending an MPX signal into the transmitter from the sound card.[/quote]
Get the Marian Trace Alpha if the computer it's going in has PCI slots and can run Windows XP Pro SP3 32bit.[quote author=SoundGuy1 link=topic=5161.msg18453#msg18453 date=1438470950]
Second Method (Audio Routing)
In some cases, if this is even possible, we would like to take audio from an Adobe Flash Player into Breakaway and then out as an MPX signal. We have a method to send the audio over the Internet as a link to the Transmitter that uses the Adobe Flash Player.[/quote]
That will work. Just set Windows' default playback soundcard to be the input you're using for Breakaway Broadcast Processor and everything that outputs sound to the default soundcard will go into Breakaway. Remember to disable all of the system sounds of course.[quote author=SoundGuy1 link=topic=5161.msg18453#msg18453 date=1438470950]
The question here is I have read you guys have used some type of updated pipeline program, besides what is supplied with Breakaway, so what do you recommend to route audio from the Adobe Flash Player to Breakaway? Is this even possible?[/quote]
Yes, you can update it by installing the latest Virtual Audio Cable which can be cheaply purchased here:
http://software.muzychenko.net/eng/vac.htm
But you shouldn't need to do that in most cases. As far as I know, none of the problems experienced by users have happened with Windows XP SP3 32bit.[quote author=SoundGuy1 link=topic=5161.msg18453#msg18453 date=1438470950]
Can you give your recommendations on hardware (computer & soundcards) and any additional software that may be needed for this application?[/quote]
For your Breakaway Live setup, I can recommend any USB-based RME soundcard.
http://www.rme-audio.de/en/I also recommend a Lenovo ThinkPad T410 (but I'm about to have a T420 in my studio tomorrow, with Windows 7 Pro 64bit, and I'll certainly test the latencies of it, since I'm thinking about getting one too.) The T410 with good specs (a fast Sandy Bridge i5) can be picked up used on eBay, in the USA, for $75 with free shipping. Sometimes even cheaper. With Windows XP SP3 32bit, the latency is insanely low. It's a rock solid platform that's used for years on a show I've been engineering for … soon 10 years. We're running 48 sample latency across multiple ASIO connections, with time-coded vinyl, realtime mic processing, multiple back & forth to a digital mixer, and final show processing, and there's zero perceptible latency. Zero glitches. I'd also get an SSD for any laptop being considered that doesn't come with one. Not just because excessively loud bass can destroy a hard disk. 😉
[quote author=SoundGuy1 link=topic=5161.msg18453#msg18453 date=1438470950]
We were thinking, if the systems could be built similar, then we could use the system for live sound as a backup if the computer failed at the transmitter site.[/quote]
You'd have to give up the portability of a laptop to do that of course. That said… have you heard of SuperMicro servers?
http://www.supermicro.com/
I can't recommend anything specifically, but I've administered several hundred SuperMicro servers in the past 15 years, and they became my favorite cheap & good low-density servers.Leif was with Linear Acoustic, who's now part of Telos, for over 10 years now. Longer than Breakaway has been around.
He didn't build his car stereo, he had a great custom shop do it.
10 years before Breakaway came out, the closest performing audio processing (and objectively not as good) was the Optimod 8200 which cost $10,000 in 1992 USD. Breakaway so far has break-even pricing. R&D had to be paid for, and what little support there is as well. The volume of sales was expected (and is) a lot more for the "Audio Enhancer" version, which is why it's cheaper. The "Broadcast" version has a lot less sales and the most technical features, which is why it costs more. When it came out, the broadcast industry FREAKED because of how cheap it was, and that when it came out it was easily one of a few of the best sounding audio processors at any price, easily competing with $10-13,000 processors of the day.
When he does take the time to make a new Breakaway, it'll use the unified code ("NewFramework") so technically he's been working on it this whole time.
Yes, there is basically zero changes in the audio that the new version will output, for the features it'll have. There should be a couple more controls and new presets though.
While Leif did say that everyone who bought a 0.x version will get 1.x versions for free, there's no legal requirement to releasing new versions at all, no matter if it's 0.x or 10.x version.
When Leif joined his second Telos company, Omnia, he made sure that he was allowed to continue Breakaway as he sees fit. He would have turned down Omnia if that wasn't part of the deal.
Lastly, I agree with what madmanjohn said here http://www.forumclaessonedwards.com/forum/index.php/topic,5092.msg18441.html#msg18441 and it's worded very well.
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If you don't like the sound of Breakaway, then you should consider using something else and be happy. If you like it, then you'll remain happy if/when a new version comes out because it'll basically sound the same. You'd be harming yourself for no reason to switch to a different processor that you don't like the sound of as much simply because a version hasn't been released in some years.
Leif is well aware that a few users, but not most, have had issues with Windows 10. WinLicense/Oreans and the other commercial copy protection used won't be part of the update. There should also be new methods of connecting to soundcards that have come out since the last release.
Leif knows that he's ignoring Breakaway right now, and he does feel bad about it. And yes, he's extremely busy. The last few months he's been working with Hans to help him prepare for his first contributions to Omnia products, and yes they are directly benefiting Stereo Tool as well. There's been a few benefits that Hans has brought to NewFramework as well, which will be part of any Breakaway update.
Don't waste your time here to just ask for a new version just to have a new version that will sound basically the same. Don't waste your time here if you don't like how Breakaway sounds as much as another audio processor that is within your budget.
If it isn't fun for you, do something else. 🙂
Multiple soundcards showing up in ASIO is a function of the soundcard drivers, so that only works for multiples of the same soundcard.
ASIO4All is just a fake ASIO driver that interfaces with the soundcard/s using Kernel Streaming, so it's only a disadvantage (more links to break, and more buffer) to just using Kernel Streaming instead.
Stereo Tool has a B.S.412 mode in its FM output section, if you cannot afford a different processor that has one. I think it may be the cheapest FM-capable processor that has it.
[quote author=DBG link=topic=5027.msg18191#msg18191 date=1426282287]day two: Breakaway seems to work ok with NFLX and RealPlayer (v10), but i have the same problem with almost everything – soft / muted treble levels.. in http://www.di.fm / techno (one of many many stations at the site – all music 24/7) the bass sounds great, there are almost constant levels of (db)gain; yet during the same some song bands 5 and 6 : treble, show the least (db) gain being applied…. what's going on ? is it the source stream data ? i've tried "eruption" preset and get somewhat better output (which is nearly at the maximum of the out L&R processed meters ) 😮
same for movies on netflix.. i can hardly hear the conversations – no matter which preset i select..[/quote]
For the problem with things being too quiet, make sure your default soundcard in Windows is set to be Breakaway Pipeline. Check the "Mixer" built into Windows to make sure everything using the Breakaway Pipeline for playback is cranked, including the far-left master fader. On your actual real soundcard output that Breakaway is outputting to, make sure there's no "Enhancements" going ("Sound" > "Playback" tab > "Properties" of the soundcard > "Enhancements" tab) by having "Disable all sound effects" checked.
For the problem with treble becoming muffled, make sure Breakaway doesn't have "FM Mode" enabled. You can find the option by right-clicking the title bar at the top of the window.
[quote author=mick heaphy link=topic=5027.msg18192#msg18192 date=1426378670]di.fm have their own processing on the stream, what particular processing i don't know.[/quote]
have you ever wondered why Leif's email ends with @di.fm ? 😉Have you tried using the latest Virtual Audio Cable, instead of Breakaway Pipeline?
http://software.muzychenko.net/eng/vac.htmIt could be the settings in the device's "Sound > Playback" area of Windows. In the "Properties" of the output device, in the "Levels" tab there's an "Output" fader. Also in the same tab, make sure to look in "Balance" to see if there's any attenuation there. If you have an "Enhancements" tab in Properties, then I also recommend checking "Disable all sound effects".
Finally, also check the "Mixer" for the device. Left-click in system tray, click "Mixer", and if needed select the correct output device from the drop-down on the far-left fader. Make sure Breakaway is turned all the way up there.
