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    SoundGuy1
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    Advice Needed – New LPFM & Live Sound

    We are a high school building a new LPFM station and want to use Breakaway as our sound processing as well as have something we can use for live sound from time-to-time.

    From reading through this forum, several of you have quite a bit of experience with the Breakaway products, so I am asking for your advice before we dive in and purchase the wrong things.

    Breakaway Broadcast – LPFM Application.
    We planned on using a computer with an i7 quad core processor and 8 GB of memory.  This will be a dedicated machine just for running Breakaway.  The operating system will be Windows 7 Professional 64.

    Will this be adequate from your experience or do we need to use something else or in addition to what is listed above?

    Sound Card
    You guys have mentioned the Marian Trace Alpha, ESI Juli and Maya44.  Which would you recommend for our application?  We will be sending an MPX signal into the transmitter from the sound card.

    Audio Routing
    There will be two methods we need to route our audio.

    Primarily, we will send the audio into the processor using a cable, preferably balanced audio and then send the audio to the FM Transmitter as a MPX signal from the sound card.  We would use Breakaway as the stereo generator.

    Second Method (Audio Routing)
    In some cases, if this is even possible, we would like to take audio from an Adobe Flash Player into Breakaway and then out as an MPX signal.  We have a method to send the audio over the Internet as a link to the Transmitter that uses the Adobe Flash Player.

    The question here is I have read you guys have used some type of updated pipeline program, besides what is supplied with Breakaway, so what do you recommend to route audio from the Adobe Flash Player to Breakaway?  Is this even possible?

    We hope we can do it this way as it eliminates one computer at the transmitter site.

    On the LPFM, we really don’t care about latency, as we listen to the studio feed for levels, mixing, etc.

    Breakaway Live
    Our second application will be for DJ live sound we do for various community events, dances, etc.

    We had planned on using a similar computer mentioned above and it will be dedicated to just running Breakaway Live.  We do need as low latency as possible.

    Our plan will be to send balanced audio into the computer using an audio cable and then have balance audio out to feed into the amp distribution rack.  There is no current way, with our existing equipment to feed anything into the computer other than analog audio at the moment.  The same is required on the output.

    Can you give your recommendations on hardware (computer & soundcards) and any additional software that may be needed for this application?

    We were thinking, if the systems could be built similar, then we could use the system for live sound as a backup if the computer failed at the transmitter site.

    Thanks again for giving us help in getting started in the right direction.  We just don’t have much access to technical help.

    #14159
    Lilrex
    Member

    be very careful, if you read through this forum you will see us talking about the lack of updates regarding the software and pretty much the creators abandonment of it. I would HIGHLY advise you stay away from these products as you will receive no actual support with them in the event something goes wrong.

    #14160
    dancemusicradio
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    so, you will send cable from mixer and equipment into the processer which will be at the studio? and then you want to send the signal to the transmitter site via adobe flash player? from what i can see on flash player there isn't a way to route sound from breakaway.
    heres an idea you might consider. mixer via cable into computer running edcast either winamp or stand alone using flac, if you can get one maybe a rasbury pie computer might be a better option? stream to breakaway computer at transmitter site using winamp and the livelink plugin. and again if you can get one, have your winamp at the transmitter site run on a rasbury pie computer and then use a cable from that to your breakaway processing computer. of course if you need to keep the processer at the studio, you can run edcast standalone and record from whatever pipeline you use as your out and stream to the rasbury pie at the transmitter site. so, mixer, cable, processer, stream via edcast, rasbury pie, cable, transmitter. hope that helps. of course others might have other suggestions on doing this

    #14161
    SoundGuy1
    Member

    If we can find no way to electronically connect Breakaway to Adobe Flash Player audio, the we can just do it with a second computer and a physical cable.

    Thanks for the suggestions.

    #14162
    JesseG
    Member

    [quote author=SoundGuy1 link=topic=5161.msg18453#msg18453 date=1438470950]
    Sound Card
    You guys have mentioned the Marian Trace Alpha, ESI Juli and Maya44.  Which would you recommend for our application?  We will be sending an MPX signal into the transmitter from the sound card.[/quote]
    Get the Marian Trace Alpha if the computer it's going in has PCI slots and can run Windows XP Pro SP3 32bit.

    [quote author=SoundGuy1 link=topic=5161.msg18453#msg18453 date=1438470950]
    Second Method (Audio Routing)
    In some cases, if this is even possible, we would like to take audio from an Adobe Flash Player into Breakaway and then out as an MPX signal.  We have a method to send the audio over the Internet as a link to the Transmitter that uses the Adobe Flash Player.[/quote]
    That will work. Just set Windows' default playback soundcard to be the input you're using for Breakaway Broadcast Processor and everything that outputs sound to the default soundcard will go into Breakaway. Remember to disable all of the system sounds of course.

    [quote author=SoundGuy1 link=topic=5161.msg18453#msg18453 date=1438470950]
    The question here is I have read you guys have used some type of updated pipeline program, besides what is supplied with Breakaway, so what do you recommend to route audio from the Adobe Flash Player to Breakaway?  Is this even possible?[/quote]
    Yes, you can update it by installing the latest Virtual Audio Cable which can be cheaply purchased here:
    http://software.muzychenko.net/eng/vac.htm
    But you shouldn't need to do that in most cases. As far as I know, none of the problems experienced by users have happened with Windows XP SP3 32bit.

    [quote author=SoundGuy1 link=topic=5161.msg18453#msg18453 date=1438470950]
    Can you give your recommendations on hardware (computer & soundcards) and any additional software that may be needed for this application?[/quote]
    For your Breakaway Live setup, I can recommend any USB-based RME soundcard.
    http://www.rme-audio.de/en/

    I also recommend a Lenovo ThinkPad T410 (but I'm about to have a T420 in my studio tomorrow, with Windows 7 Pro 64bit, and I'll certainly test the latencies of it, since I'm thinking about getting one too.) The T410 with good specs (a fast Sandy Bridge i5) can be picked up used on eBay, in the USA, for $75 with free shipping. Sometimes even cheaper. With Windows XP SP3 32bit, the latency is insanely low. It's a rock solid platform that's used for years on a show I've been engineering for … soon 10 years. We're running 48 sample latency across multiple ASIO connections, with time-coded vinyl, realtime mic processing, multiple back & forth to a digital mixer, and final show processing, and there's zero perceptible latency. Zero glitches. I'd also get an SSD for any laptop being considered that doesn't come with one. Not just because excessively loud bass can destroy a hard disk. 😉

    [quote author=SoundGuy1 link=topic=5161.msg18453#msg18453 date=1438470950]
    We were thinking, if the systems could be built similar, then we could use the system for live sound as a backup if the computer failed at the transmitter site.[/quote]
    You'd have to give up the portability of a laptop to do that of course. That said… have you heard of SuperMicro servers?
    http://www.supermicro.com/
    I can't recommend anything specifically, but I've administered several hundred SuperMicro servers in the past 15 years, and they became my favorite cheap & good low-density servers.

    #14163
    JesseG
    Member

    [quote author=Lilrex link=topic=5161.msg18454#msg18454 date=1438488489]
    [..]abandonment [..] you will receive no actual support with them in the event something goes wrong.[/quote]
    There wasn't any support besides these forums from day one. 🙂 There's also no warranty at all. That's partly why the prices are crazy low. Nothing regarding that has changed from day one.

    #14164
    SoundGuy1
    Member

    JesseG –

    Thanks for all the great advice.

    This is exactly what we were needing and I will keep you posted on our projects.

    If you can think of any other advice we would appreciate it!

    Thanks Again

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