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  • #4978
    Leif
    Keymaster

    Yes — that’s what the MF EQ is for!

    Indeed I should cover that.

    Start by setting MF EQ Width to around 0.25 oct

    If the shape is convex () then set MF EQ gain to -10dB or so.
    If the shape is concave )( then set MF EQ gain to +10dB or so.

    This makes the EQ very visible.

    Then, adjust MF EQ Freq until the peak (or dip) ends up in the middle of the peak or dip. (There’s a typo in the program — it says MF Freq. I’ll fix this in a later version.)

    Finally, adjust the gain to a more reasonable value (probably closer to the middle of the slider), and increase MF EQ Width until you find the value that makes the response the flattest. You probably need to fine-tune both, to get closer and closer to ideal flat shape.

    Kevin, could you help me my following these instructions, and revising them according to your own findings, and posting them back here?

    Since I do this stuff all the time, it’s very hard to write understandable instructions for someone who has never done it before, so I would really appreciate your help 🙂.

    Reference Heavy is cleaner, more open, more dynamic, easier to listen to. Plutonium is big, bold, fat, and loud. It depends on your taste! I personally use Reference Settings, which is lighter than Reference Heavy.

    There’s no user interface option to disable running on startup, but you can use a 3rd party tool to disable it. Please note that if you’re using Vista or Windows 7, you’ll have to manually change your default sound playback device in windows, so that it doesn’t reach a dead end when going to the Breakaway Pipeline, as that would mean no sound.

    I personally like this free tool: http://codestuff.tripod.com/products_starter.html

    Best regards,
    ///Leif

    #7152
    JesseG
    Member

    It could be that Ots is a total piece of crap when it comes to audio input/output.

    When I was CE at radioio.com (for it’s first 7 years) we were running M-Audio Delta DiO and mostly Audiophile cards (before you say anything, it was all digital path, not analog)… and there was literally only one version of the soundcard drivers that would run smoothly with Ots an nothing else on the Ots machines. I got the driver from M-Audio myself, and it was never on their website.

    My point is… Ots is VERY finicky about the soundcards (or virtual soundcards) it’s using… as well as the how the OS & computer interact too. Finicky to the point of being a total piece of crap imho, even if it was free. So maybe check the various Ots related user forums out there, like Jumpin Jeff’s. Also there are a few people on these forums who are using Ots with VAC (Breakaway Pipeline is VAC) and PM them for advice.

    Lastly, Ots does in fact use a database for it’s library, which it loads into memory every time you start it up. 8)

    Anonymous
    Guest

    Hi, i’m using a trial of BB and it keeps freezing our streaming PC, when closing the program. I’m very annoyed because no matter what I do it keeps crashing our PC, and it keeps taking our station down.

    I’ve set it up so that it’s optimised for CPU usage, i’ve taken it out of its own process, and it still crashes.

    It only crashes when closing the program (or unclicking TEST in the I/O settings), it works fine otherwise, but it’s useless to me in the current condition. Any advice?

    Using a clean copy of XP Home. It’s processing from soundcard line in and outputting on a breakaway pipeline device which is listened to by edcast.

    #302
    timmywa
    Participant

    I have a small, personal web stream that me along with a few friends and family listen to. I have recently purchased the BAE license and love it. My setup is like so:

    ZaraRadio (free radio automation tool) > Breakaway Pipeline > Audigy > Edcast Stand Alone (pointed to Audigy’s What U Hear) > Shoutcast Server (I understand that SBs aren’t the best cards, but for my purposes, it seems to be ok.)

    In this configuration, I am not able to bring any audio from the soundcard’s line-in jack in to BAE for processing. I have to switch the input on Edcast to Audigy’s Line-In, and it’s raw and unprocessed and I don’t get any audio from ZaraRadio.

    I found that Zara has a satellite in option and I’ve fiddled with this feature and could not get any live audio into Zara.

    What it feels like is that BAE will only accept 1 source of audio at a time. I checked creative’s site for new drivers and I’m running the latest.

    My Pc does have an onboard crappy soundcard (now disabled in bios), will enabling that help anything?

    Thanks for your ideas.

    #6743
    LuK
    Participant

    [quote author=”Leif”]If that doesn’t work, that’s a bug — I’ll have to fix it for the next version. 🙂
    ///Leif[/quote]
    With LiveLink 1 enabled in Breakaway Live DSP options the sound is instable (continuous stop, freeze and go). Is this the bug? If yes, when it is previewed the new version release?

    Thx, bye. 🙂

    #6361

    In reply to: Hitches in the Audio

    Leif
    Keymaster

    There are known problems with Breakaway Pipeline (=VAC 4.x) on certain systems. It’s being worked on, but it’s a big project — apparently it’s hard problem to solve for Eugene.

    You can also try VAC 3.12: [attachment=0:2417jdr6]vac312full_breakaway.zip[/attachment:2417jdr6]

    Free to use for breakaway customers.

    VAC 3.12 is a native wave driver, and works best with WAVE selected in Breakaway.

    Best regards,
    ///Leif

    #6254
    Appie
    Member

    [quote author=”Leif”]New versions!

    Twente preset updated — much better bass handling.

    LiveLink DSP support in both Breakaway Broadcast and Breakaway Live!

    LiveLink DSP allows you use BBP or Live with DSP plug-in hosts such as SpacialAudio’s SAM Broadcaster, without using Breakaway Pipeline (thus circumventing Microsoft RDP Audio Driver). Instructions here.

    Also new: A page with free DSP plug-ins!

    For example, 3 Phase Rotation DSP plug-ins.

    Unlike the Phase Scrambler built into Breakaway Broadcast, these are traditional phase rotators tuned in different ways. Two of them simulate the sound of other audio processors — especially "Phase Tornado" 🙂. Check them out on the free plug-ins page.

    Oh, and the new versions:

    Breakaway Live 0.90.69
    Breakaway Broadcast 0.90.69

    Best regards,
    ///Leif[/quote]

    Thanks Leif for the new update ,

    I try the new twente preset amazing !!
    More body !! en loud
    Also the new phase rotator tornado also amazing ..
    Maybe for the plugins you can added spartacus for the people who need stereo enchangment ?

    For the people who need a loudnessmeter with BBP there is a free meter on the Orban site ..
    I use these with BBP So you can check your loudness against other stations .
    And see that BBP is louder But CLEANER 😆

    Leif
    Keymaster

    New versions!

    Twente preset updated — much better bass handling.

    LiveLink DSP support in both Breakaway Broadcast and Breakaway Live!

    LiveLink DSP allows you use BBP or Live with DSP plug-in hosts such as SpacialAudio’s SAM Broadcaster, without using Breakaway Pipeline (thus circumventing Microsoft RDP Audio Driver). Instructions here.

    Also new: A page with free DSP plug-ins!

    For example, 3 Phase Rotation DSP plug-ins.

    Unlike the Phase Scrambler built into Breakaway Broadcast, these are traditional phase rotators tuned in different ways. Two of them simulate the sound of other audio processors — especially "Phase Tornado" 🙂. Check them out on the free plug-ins page.

    Oh, and the new versions:

    Breakaway Live 0.90.69
    Breakaway Broadcast 0.90.69

    Best regards,
    ///Leif

    Leif
    Keymaster

    Hi guys!

    Long time no see — I’ve been busy — developing Breakaway FM!

    It looks a lot like regular Breakaway, but the similarity is superficial — under the hood, most everything is new.

    This is a real FM processor.

    Abridged feature list:

    • Advanced Distortion Cancelled Clipping back-end, for unprecedented clarity on FM, while being competitively loud. It’s significantly cleaner sounding than anything on the market — $10000+ boxes included.
    • PHASE LINEAR from beginning to end, to maintain waveform fidelity even with pre-distorted CDs
    • Pre-emphasis (75 / 50us for FM, 25 / 15us for webcasting)
    • Adaptive asynchronous sample rate conversion (Input 44100 – 192000, Output 44100 – 192000)
    • FM Stereo Encoder (MPX), with Pilot+RDS input for using an external RDS encoder, or Airomate RDS software.
    • Line-up tones: 400hz, 1000hz, 60hz Square, Sweep, and Bessel Null tones
    • Adjustable Tilt correction, separate for L/R and MPX outputs
    • Phase Linear Parametric EQ for the MPX output, to compensate for sound-card frequency response
    • Defeatable L/R output de-emphasis — so you can preview the audio with your regular sound card
    • Three breakaway pipelines — for easy interfacing to any software on your computer, both input and output.

    This is a BETA version. It’s not ready for release yet — but hopefully will be soon 🙂.

    This version is also usable for webcasting.

    Breakaway Web will follow shortly after release of Breakaway FM — but the two will not be the same.

    Breakaway Web will have selectable Phase Linear or Low Latency (Breakaway Personal is always Low Latency mode), and use look-ahead limiting for peak control. It will be very CPU efficient — roughly the same as Breakaway Personal.

    Breakaway FM, on the other hand, uses an advanced distortion-cancelled clipper. It uses much more CPU, but when selecting 15 or 25us pre-emphasis, and enabling de-emphasis, it will allow you to make an even LOUDER webcast than Breakaway Web will. So, if absolute loudness is important — if you want your stations to jump out of the speakers — then Breakaway FM will be the best choice, even after Breakaway Web is released!

    Breakaway FM will be $199. Breakaway Web will be less.

    Enough talking. Check it out! 🙂

    http://bredband.leif.cx/browse/bafm <– download here

    If you’re interested in how Breakaway FM stacks up against market leading hardware processors, head on over to:

    http://mpxtool.com/site/torture-test.html

    …where you can download recordings of different processors, and A/B compare them using MpxTool (the free demo version).

    ///Leif

    #4393
    Leif
    Keymaster

    Hi Anithamathan!

    When you uninstall Breakaway, it’s really *gone*. Nothing is left behind – no drivers, no executables, nothing that could impact the sound.

    One thing that could potentially have an impact is if Breakaway somehow got confused about what device to set as the default sound device in windows.

    Please look in the Control Panel (Classic View) – Sounds and Audio Devices, click on the Audio tab, and make sure the correct sound card is selected.

    It’s a very strange coincidence that both your and your friend’s computer are showing the same problem. I have installed and uninstalled countless times during testing, and never seen anything like this behaviour — in fact, this behaviour should be impossible! Once Breakaway is gone, it’s no longer there to alter the sound, for better or worse.

    Because your and your friends computer are using the same sound card, I would guess that it’s also likely that you’re using the exact same driver version – perhaps you even helped him install it.

    It’s a long shot, but it’s possible that there could be a problem with the driver. Breakaway never touches the driver or any settings relating to the driver, but breakaway does change the default sound device in Windows, to be able to route audio through the Breakaway Pipeline so that it can enter Breakaway for processing. So, we can’t rule out that the simple (and common) act of changing the default sound device got the driver into a confused state.

    Please check to make sure the creative-specific audio enhancement such as CMSS, EAX, Reverb are in the state they’re supposed to be (not sure whether your preference is on or off).

    Another possible explanation, could it be that you just got used to the improvement that Breakaway makes when running?

    A lot of people have downloaded Breakaway, and the vast majority of people who download free software do exactly what you did – try it, and when the trial runs out, uninstall. Because of this, if Breakaway intentionally sabotaged anything, this very forum would be overrun with complaints. Wouldn’t be a very good way to run a business, would it 🙂.

    ///Leif

    #4382
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Hi, I get the error on the new version, but only on initial boot up. I do have some antivirus software that takes an age too boot up, so dont know if that is slowing things down. I am running XP, using an AMD processor, and interfacing with OTS using the breakaway pipeline.

    Was running stable from about 2pm yesterday, but woke up to find laptop frozen.

    Has been running stable since 6am this morning, about 3 hours so far.

    If no-one else doesnt report any issues, it may just be my crummy laptop, although the previous version was running for well over 24 hours without a crash or freeze. I may try downgrading again if laptop crashes again, and see what happens. Will keep you updated.

    Rich.

    #4203
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Thanks Leif for that tutorial.

    I have the same problem here.
    OtsAV plus Breakaway will also gives me a 1 to 2 seconds dropout after 6 to 7 hours.
    I was blaming it to a background task of my slow PC (AMD 1.5GHz) with a little peak of 100% or more CPU/RAM usages.
    Now, when I think twice it could be a problem of OtsAV running together with VAC or the Breakaway Pipeline from Eugene Muzychenko.
    I tested other Software Multiband Processing (MBL4, StreamSolo, Omnia AX, XAP Soundsolution etc.) by using VAC. With all the above mentioned processing I get dropouts when the CPU is at 100% peak (normal usage with OtsAV and one of the mentioned processing tools on this slow PC is between 25% and 40%).
    This dropouts will happend while playlist generation and importing new files to OtsAV with MBL4, StreamSolo, Omnia AX etc.
    I don’t get dropouts with Breakaway while playlist generates or importing new files.
    Only after 6 or 7 hours playing there is this 1 to 2 seconds dropout.
    Without any of that processing tools, OtsAV will play without any dropouts.
    OtsAV is running 24/7 since 2003 without any crash or dropout when not using multiband processing.

    Leif I really like to buy Breakaway but with dropouts….
    I can’t test Breakaway with other Audio Applications. My 30 days trial of Breakaway ends yesterday.

    Greetings from Germany,
    Marion

    PS: Perhaps you can try it yourself with one of the OtsAV Demo or the Free Version of OtsAV.
    http://www.otsav.com

    #4152
    Leif
    Keymaster

    Hi Dj Buik!

    The one big setup issue I can think of, is that the standard version of Breakaway can only receive sound from the Breakaway Pipeline, and can only play to a real sound card, not a virtual device. So, to feed the audio to Airomate you would need two sound cards, and pipe the audio back into the computer with a cable.

    The webcaster version will not have this limitation, it will be able to use any device – real or virtual, and will be able to do what you ask.

    For the current version, if you want to process the audio from a single version, you could download the Virtual Audio Cable demo (google) and use the free Audio Repeater utility that comes with that, to feed audio from the sound card input to the Breakaway Pipeline.

    This adds latency, but it does work.

    ///Leif

    #3918

    Fantastic product Leif. Must congratulate you. I love the sound processing and the price is reasonable too. So good just bought 2 myself! It’s just like having an on hand real time producer to remaster all my tunes as I play them 😆

    I use OtsDJ (now known as OtsAV) and you can use Breakaway. Just choose Breakaway Pipeline 1 as output card in OtsAV and your soundcard as output in Breakaway (courtesy Marion Zee100).

    Thanks again and free updates too. Wow!

    [quote author=”CA Joe”]Breakaway is so nice … I’m posting this twice!

    I love the Breakaway product! It is comparable to anything from Orban or Omnia … and my laptop sounds better than ever!

    I would LOVE to own the speaker system on your homepage … tell us where it’s from? Gorgeous!

    Now…as one into streaming media…if you could ONLY make it so that Breakaway would be the main codec for audio streams, as it is for receiving those streams.

    Also, I am a big fan of Internet WiFi devices like Roku Labs "Soundbridge" radio systems.

    Breakaway does work well on the computer and it encodes Internet streams coming in well…but it does NOT do same for wifi appliances. If that could happen … man!

    I would also like to see the system work in the "going out" stream. My OTS DJ won’t allow it to be my audio processor (it has one of its own which is pretty good.) My SAM Broadcaster is WinAmp base and does allow it, but it already has a 5-band EQ built, so, it defeats the purpose.

    If I could get my OTS to use it, however, I’d be set, as I do a lot of mobile DJ appearances, too, and know this would add much to my PA application.

    Great product…congratulations. I will be purchasing it today or in the next day or so.

    Oh, I will be getting a new computer shortly. Is the license transferable to another machine?

    Joe Benson
    Paso Robles, CA USA[/quote]

    #3975

    In reply to: Two questions, please

    Leif
    Keymaster

    Hi Brian!

    1) Certainly! The Vista version, if all goes right, will implement its audio back-end as an APO. This way it will essentially get invited in to process the audio along the path to your sound card, instead of having to elbow itself in the way it does now.

    The current version implements a virtual sound card (Breakaway Pipeline) and just has all windows apps use that, and then Breakaway is responsible for processing the audio and sending it to the real sound card. This works fine in XP (and it is the best and only way there), but in Vista, doing an APO is a much cleaner solution, and will work better.

    2) I’m surprised nobody has asked this before!

    Due to the Windows architecture (all versions), it’s impossible to have a Normal Priority thread, and a true Realtime Priority thread (priority 31), in the same process (instance).

    So, in order to get the low latency audio engine stable enough, I had to very painstakingly write the code to support Breakaway running in two different processes, while communicating with one another. One of them is the audio engine, and the other is the user interface. You can easily find out which is which by maximizing the Breakaway window, and looking in Task Manager. The one that uses the most memory then, is the user interface.

    If you don’t like having two processes, you can easily disable this feature. In Breakaway, go to the Settings, and uncheck "Audio Realtime Priority". That’s it.

    When you uncheck Audio Realtime Priority, the audio engine will run as a Time Critical thread (priority 15), not true realtime, and thus the requirement for a second process goes away.

    For reference, the Normal thread priority is 8.

    Why should the audio engine run at such a high priority?
    It comes down to this — if the system is completely clogged for just a moment, which thing gets to go first? Should it be the hard drive, the mouse pointer, or the audio?

    I pick the Audio, because any tiny drop-out (even if it’s just a millisecond!) is very audible and distracting, but having the mouse pointer (extreme example) freeze for a millisecond is completely imperceptible.

    ///Leif

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