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January 15, 2009 at 11:43 am #194LeifKeymaster
New versions!
Twente preset updated — much better bass handling.
LiveLink DSP support in both Breakaway Broadcast and Breakaway Live!
LiveLink DSP allows you use BBP or Live with DSP plug-in hosts such as SpacialAudio’s SAM Broadcaster, without using Breakaway Pipeline (thus circumventing Microsoft RDP Audio Driver). Instructions here.
Also new: A page with free DSP plug-ins!
For example, 3 Phase Rotation DSP plug-ins.
Unlike the Phase Scrambler built into Breakaway Broadcast, these are traditional phase rotators tuned in different ways. Two of them simulate the sound of other audio processors — especially "Phase Tornado" 🙂. Check them out on the free plug-ins page.
Oh, and the new versions:
Breakaway Live 0.90.69
Breakaway Broadcast 0.90.69Best regards,
///LeifJanuary 15, 2009 at 4:39 pm #6253celarMemberThanks Leif! Anything that says "better bass handling" sure gets my attention. 😮
Question on those new Phase Rotator plug-ins: If I do end up liking one of those, it seems I should then turn off the built-in Phase Scrambler. Is that correct, or would I leave it on and have both rotating and scrambling?
January 15, 2009 at 5:06 pm #6254AppieMember[quote author=”Leif”]New versions!
Twente preset updated — much better bass handling.
LiveLink DSP support in both Breakaway Broadcast and Breakaway Live!
LiveLink DSP allows you use BBP or Live with DSP plug-in hosts such as SpacialAudio’s SAM Broadcaster, without using Breakaway Pipeline (thus circumventing Microsoft RDP Audio Driver). Instructions here.
Also new: A page with free DSP plug-ins!
For example, 3 Phase Rotation DSP plug-ins.
Unlike the Phase Scrambler built into Breakaway Broadcast, these are traditional phase rotators tuned in different ways. Two of them simulate the sound of other audio processors — especially "Phase Tornado" 🙂. Check them out on the free plug-ins page.
Oh, and the new versions:
Breakaway Live 0.90.69
Breakaway Broadcast 0.90.69Best regards,
///Leif[/quote]Thanks Leif for the new update ,
I try the new twente preset amazing !!
More body !! en loud
Also the new phase rotator tornado also amazing ..
Maybe for the plugins you can added spartacus for the people who need stereo enchangment ?For the people who need a loudnessmeter with BBP there is a free meter on the Orban site ..
I use these with BBP So you can check your loudness against other stations .
And see that BBP is louder But CLEANER 😆January 16, 2009 at 4:38 am #6255LeifKeymasterCelar, it depends. They do affect different frequencies, and in different ways, so it may be worth listening to find out for yourself.
Here’s a list of a few songs I use to test phase rotators, with 75us pre-emphasis:
Kaiser Chiefs – Everyday I love you less and less (sharp synth sound in the beginning. sounds very thin and distorted without phase rotation)
Hampton the Hampster – The official hampster dance (yes, that one. my apologies! sharp synth lead riding on top of bass, between 00:49 – 01:02. causes IMD without phase rotation)
Donald Fagen – I.G.Y. (extremely sharp synth lead 03:08 – 03:30, very distorted and thin without phase rotation)
Steely Dan – Gaucho (intro saxophone, 00:00 – 00:32. both harmonic and intermodulation distortion without phase rotation)
Kenny G and Aaron Neville – Even if my heart would break (intro saxophone 00:00-00:15 and saxophone interlude 02:24-02:49)
Dixie Chicks – Landslide (sharp voices throughout the song)See a pattern here (in regards to the sounds)? 🙂
Sharp, harmonic-rich sounds, naturally have all harmonics time-aligned. This means they’ll get *extremely* peaky after pre-emphasis, and thus very sensitive to distortion. Phase rotation or phase scrambling will spread out the harmonics in time, changing the timbre a *little* bit, but making the waveform much more compact and robust — without using clipping, compression or limiting. To quote a famous processing designer, it’s the closest thing to a "free lunch" that we’ll get in broadcast processing.
However, it is not a completely free lunch. For an example of how bad phase rotation can be when overdone, use the Phase Tornado plug-in, and play the following song:
Fleetwood Mac – Dreams (very snappy drums in the intro).
You’ll notice the drums will be completely ruined by excessive phase rotation, changing their sound to a "smack" or a "clunk" instead of sounding like drums. All phase rotation will do that to an extent, but usually very subtle — Phase Tornado is extreme (like the 31-band processor it’s modeled after). Phase scrambling does not affect drums the same way phase rotation does.
For the lazy, here’s a couple of example clips (except from I.G.Y.). Pre-emph 75us, de-emph on. Plutonium Preset, Final Drive 1.5, Bass Boost +15. (i.e. worst case scenario)
Linear Phase (no phase rotation or scrambling) CAN cause trouble.
Phase scrambler enabled
Impact/Clunk plug-in
Impact/Clunk plug-in AND phase scramblerListen to that synth lead, in headphones.
You might notice that the Phase Scrambler makes a huge difference on the synth lead with virtually no effect on the drums, while Impact/Clunk makes *some* improvement on the synth lead but also (intentionally) modifies the drums.///Leif
January 16, 2009 at 6:08 am #6256celarMemberAwesome detail; thanks so much. As with many of your posts, I will be clipping this one for its instructive value too. You are SO dedicated to this stuff Leif, and it really shows.
January 16, 2009 at 10:24 pm #6257sgeirkMemberThese new plugins are craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazy good.
January 17, 2009 at 7:29 am #6258LeifKeymasterThank you 🙂.
I updated Impact/Clunk — version 1.01 has settings!
///Leif
January 17, 2009 at 10:59 am #6259AppieMember[quote author=”Leif”]Thank you 🙂.
I updated Impact/Clunk — version 1.01 has settings!
///Leif[/quote]
………. what must i say ?? 😀 CRAZY !!
January 17, 2009 at 11:48 am #6260LeifKeymasterUnfortunately, they have a bug — they sometimes save the window position wrong, so that the window ends up outside the screen when you open it the next time.
If that happens, right-click the task-bar button of the window, select "move", press the right arrow key on the keyboard once, and then move the mouse. The window should then follow along.
This works for any windows program by the way.
///Leif
January 18, 2009 at 4:19 am #6261sgeirkMemberI’m racing a radio station using a Rock setting in an Omnia6, with BB, latest version, clunk rotator and bass plugin…nothing else. The station I’m racing is running 80khz deviation, too!
BB is running fully legal at 75khz avg dev and BB and is just beating the PANTS off of them…it’s a clear channel station, though…so I know their music is compressed. Mine is not. Wish I had another 192khz soundcard to run mpx tool.
The new bass plugin REALLY tightens and rounds the bass juuust right. Much more bass consistency song-to-song and source-to-source. Makes it sound more like the expensive boxes.
Hearing it, I would never have EVER possibly guessed that the processor was a freaking WINDOWS PC!!!
January 18, 2009 at 5:12 am #6262LeifKeymasterSee, that’s the beauty of digital processing.. It’s just math. It doesn’t matter what cpu, dsp or operating system.. they will all calculate the math the same way (early pentiums being a notable exception).. it’s ALL about the algorithm.
Thanks, Sgeirk. Always great to hear from you! 🙂.
///Leif
January 19, 2009 at 11:29 am #6263AdamHMemberClear Channel does not compress their music ahead of the processing. In fact, I don’t know of any radio group in the US that does that. I work for Cox Radio, and everything in our library still retains the original dynamics that can be found on the master.
Just sayin’.
Adam
January 19, 2009 at 8:58 pm #6264sgeirkMemberClear Channel’s centralized music library is recorded at, last check, 48khz, 4.8:1 compression using mpeg2. They cannot possibly support linear wav files, since they rely upon being able to shuttle songs back and forth via the WAN.
January 19, 2009 at 9:20 pm #6265AdamHMemberAh I see what you’re saying. I thought you meant they compress the dynamics.
We only use WAVs, but that’s because we don’t fall under Clear Channel’s ridiculous theory of homogenization, where some moron in San Antonio programs 300 CHR stations at a time and none of the jocks actually live where they are heard. I seriously hate those guys.
Interestingly, one of the engineers that I work with told me that an MP3 at 256 kbps will pass through a processor the same way that a WAV will. Most STLs are compressing the transmitter feed anyway, so there may be no real benefit to using WAVs anymore.
Adam
January 19, 2009 at 10:50 pm #6266sgeirkMemberYour engineer friend is incorrect. Bit reduction, any way you cut it, except FLAC, will negatively affect the quality of audio reproduced.
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