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Ah Yes! I have a 6 second buffer (mainly to cover phone dropouts in the car), so it takes time to register any changes.
Glad you got it sorted.
I remember you raising this and I put it directly to Leif.
I usually stream at 48K using AAC.
I have just opened my stream (via BARemote) and tried AAC and HE-AAC at 44100 and 48000 rates and listened via the VLC program to my own stream. If I click on “Tools/Codec Information”, VLC accurately reports both rates correctly. In other words, it is correctly collecting and playing at whatever rate I select in BA1.
I am not using a streaming service, but connect to VLC via a private URL, directly to my home music playout system. I also use it on my phone and Bluetooth it to my car sound system.
So, that brings me back to the differences between what I am doing and what you are doing. Are you streaming through a service like Icecast? Could they be down-converting it? Do you have your Windows sound devices aligned to 48Ks? Similarly, your soundcard setup. If any of these are locked onto 44.1, Windows will down-convert it.
I am reluctant to report it as a bug, as it seems to work fine in my case, but I am happy to work with you to track down the problem.
I have a reply from Leif, and I will paste it verbatim.
“Applying QoS to packets in windows is very difficult — in fact not always possible, as far as I know, depending on windows version and permission level.
There’s also different types of QoS, differently flagged in packets.The code does attempt to do it, if you’re running as a service, so that BA has admin priviliges, which is actually required.
Can’t guarantee that it succeeds, though. If that’s really important for his particular use case, he may want to configure his network switch to do it.
If he has a switch that cares about QoS to begin with, it can be done there. If his switch doesn’t care about QoS then his question is moot.”So, are you able to configure QOS in your router/switch? That may be the best option, as it ensures you have direct control over it outside the application.
Apologies for the delay. I have posed the question, but sometimes the answers take a while to come back. I do know that Leif uses AoIP almost exclusively around his own property, so I would be surprised if it wasn’t up to spec.
I have no powers to issue licence renewals, as the original details must be checked against their database.
It is most important to provide as much information as possible to make this search quick and easy. John will also need the MAC address of the new device, as the key is generated with that number. If this information is not made available, it will delay the renewal process.You need to go into Device Manager, look for the Pipeline under “Audio Devices” (I think, from memory), right click, and remove the device from there.
I agree with timmywa. If you send that dump through to Breakaway support, it will be the first thing they will suggest as well. I understand the principle of “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”, but I’d suspect a Windows update has done the breaking for you.
Are you using Breakaway Pipeline? I would upgrade to the latest version of that too.
I don’t have a number to set the input to, but the fact is that the higher the input, the less headroom the AGC has to do its work. Depending on the preset, it is often better to reduce the input by up to 5dB. In fact, it becomes a juggling act between killing the AGC and lifting the noise floor up into the audio spectrum, but in most cases, less input is the better way to go. There must be some way to reduce the gain in RadioBOSS, or the Windows mixer panel.
This is the cURL code to turn VST on. All others work similarly. For a list of all the parameters, type {name of BA1 PC}colon 8282 into your browser to bring up the web interface. Note that there are TWO dashes before “silent” and “output”.
REM Set VST option to ON
curl –silent –output nul http://{name of BA1 PC}:8282/parameter/hd1/misc/vst_enable=1Never anything ridiculous in your comments, MrK 😉
When Leif does the re-write, I guess that he will use the Web Server interface from Breakaway One as a basis for changing any of the parameters (including presets). If that is the case, it is quite simple to run batch files to launch a change to any setting. You could even become familiar with something like Auto Hot Key(AHK) where you can designs and build a simple cluster of buttons to switch on/off any options.
I have exactly that on my home version of BA1. I use it to toggle “Bypass” – Off for everything else, but ON for playing vinyl and also enable/disable VST, but just about any other function can be controlled using a simple cURL command.I will plant the seed with Leif to use a similar approach.
The licensing process for BAE isn’t quite as stringent as Breakaway One (where it is tied to the MAC address of the device it is installed on). However, I would install it on the final destination PC, just to make sure there will be no issues in the future.
Keep the licence file in a safe place, because, if you ever replace that PC, you will need it again to unlock the program.
@timmywa I was able to run this query past Leif in a Zoom session this week. This is a summary of his comments.
“BreakawayOne scans the global environment path for installed encoders, and populates the list with all known encoders it finds. I have never seen this fail, but the order of operations of a Windows startup is a complicated beast.
This is the reason for the Post-Boot Delay slider in the config window, under Miscellaneous. That may solve the issue.
The logic behind it sets a volatile registry key after the first time the delay is performed, so it will not slow down every BreakawayOne startup, only the first one since a reboot!”So, I would make sure that you have the relevant encoder folders included in your global variable settings. If you already have that, try adding a delay to the startup of BreakawayOne after a re-boot.
@MrKlorox This is the answer directly from the man who made it.
“The Input AGC in the breakaway core, as used in both BreakawayOne and Omnia.9, is _not_ multiband, and never was.
The reason is quite simple — it would suck the life out of the music.
For example, Orban processors use a coupled 2-band input AGC – BASS and MASTER. The coupling means that the bass can never be boosted more than the rest, but bass _can_ be reduced more than the rest, which is the entire purpose, because in a wideband AGC, if you suddenly have lots of bass in the input, you will hear the overall audio getting much quieter due to how much energy bass has compared to the perceived loudness of said bass.
The disadvantage of doing it this way is that when you play bass heavy music, particularly of the electronic variety, all the bass gets sucked out of it right at the Input AGC stage, resulting in wimpy sound.So, the breakaway core uses an in my opinion much better compromise. I use a wideband AGC with a _sidechain filter_ to essentially _desensitize_ the Input AGC to heavy bass. This way, excessive bass goes right through the Input AGC without causing much gain reaction, making the Input AGC response much more closely to how we _perceive_ loudness. This in turn means that excessive bass will enter the Multiband AGC section (which indeed both BreakawayOne and Omnia.9 has, of course!) which is actually equipped to handle it.
I made sure my audio processors can handle deep bass for the simple reason that I like music with heavy bass, as well as a whole lot of other genres. This is not the case with every audio processing developer, and if it’s not part of your playlist when you’re designing the audio processor, chances are the processor you’re designing won’t gracefully handle it.
Anyway, the Input AGC in BreakawayOne is in fact identical to Omnia.9, with the exception that Omnia.9 lets you adjust the sidechain filter exactly. Believe me when I say that this is not a limitation – I _never_ adjust it myself, it already handles everything I throw at it (from Pat Metheny to Count Basie to Infected Mushroom), I haven’t had to touch that slider for a decade.”
