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Hi All,
Which is better for web only streaming BBP or Live Version, will be using OtsAV and Edcast,
Many Thanks, Sean
Live is your best bet as broadcast has extra features that while needed for FM broadcasting are not necessary for streaming and can actually lower the overall quality. In the internet realm, there’s no loudness wars or overmodulating to eek out that last few inches of coverage. You want to sound consistent and clean. Not loud and crunched. That’s just my 12 cents.
I agree, although for different reasons!
Live is not as CPU hungry
Pre-emphasis in the BBP is a pain more than anything for web use – its bass and top heavy and although it can be tweaked out, it still ends up bass heavy imo"In the internet realm, there’s no loudness wars"
I have to disagree here.. Whilst loudness isn’t a major contender like it is on the FM, I still like a loud, full sound from an internet stream playing my type of music – luckily, this is still easily achievable with Live 😛
Example of Live in use: http://listen1.uvradio.co.uk/
Live is perfect for webstreaming and, as mentioned by other users, it doesn’t carry the CPU overhead that BBP does.
quote :In the internet realm, there’s no loudness warsIMHO processing and loudness are still a requirement on the internet…but it’s certainly not a war. It gives a station a certain known sound and consistency that people like…even if they maybe don’t realise it. Internet streaming certainly doesn’t require pushing every last drop of loudness out of the audio whilst remaining within your 75kHz deviation (UK). Constant level and full sound yes…flattened waveforms and driven to the max…no.
I’ve been using Breakaway Live on CruiseOne for getting on for 2 years now http://cruiseone.tdcat.com/.
It works great for me. Settings on this stream (for info)…
Preset: Plutonium
Peak Level: -1.0dB (sufficient for 256kbps level overshoot)
Final Drive: 0
Range: 40
Power: 40
Speed: 50
Bass Cut: -30
Bass Shape: 0
NR: Off
Stereo Enhancer: Off
Filter: 15kHz (you may ask why…from old FM days 🙂 )
Filter Type: Phase LinearLive is fine for internet use.
TDCat.
Well i must agree to TDcat that even in the internet realm of professionnal broadcaster (because they are, and i am one of them like most of you) LOUDNESS counts for a lot…that is why since i built and own AND operate 3 net radio with 3 different music format i can say that i took many hours to test Breakaway Broadcast on my new international top 40 station KIXX try for a listen… http://www.kixxradio.com/radio (128k & 256k) I will try on another station orban PC 1100 to see but i believe BBroadcast sound as better if not more loud and clear then again all devides or module affects the sound differently. I am not totaly satisfied of my present sound I AM still doing some tweaks right now without wanting to disturb the audience right now so i do it on another machine with ABOUT the same specs BUT then again things aren’t never the same since each computer has a life of its own. 😀 very interesseting the topic here. Sorry my english is not best i am french broadcaster from Quebec (Canada) Montreal. cheers to all of you and best of success.
Louis
I’ll respectfully disagree about loudness. 8) Backing off of the final limiter/clipper generates much more ATSL. When I was handling radioio (#1 online for 2.5 years straight, Arbitron/Ando) we were 4 times as "sticky" as anything else in the top 20, with what Leif described as "a really good sounding EQ". Very little dynamics processing, because my processing was designed to do spectral processing without changing the dynamics (maybe 1-2dB here and there). We had a slow transparent lookahead AGC for dynamics processing, and that’s it.
It does depend on the format, but I still don’t agree that the final loudness should be pushed very hard. The average can certainly be brought up a bunch, and that’s where it counts, but to smash that last 4-5dB of dynamics up into limiting/clipping when you only gain a higher perception of loudness for 7 seconds (the amount of time the average person can remember how loud something before it was)… So basically after 7 seconds, the only thing you actually gain is increased listening fatigue. 😐
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