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Just downloaded and bought Live, version 0.93. Before this I played with an old Breakaway Live version on a computer at my friend’s place. Is it correct that the Twente setting has changed in the latest version? I miss a little bit the "power"which it has in the old version. Seems to me something changed in the low band.
quote :Version 0.90.87
All-new “Twente” preset – modified version of Plutonium with more steady compression (good for old vinyl) and much more bass kick!viewtopic.php?p=4628#p4628
I don’t like this new "Twente", too.
I prefer the old "Twente".
But my favourite Breakaway preset is "Rusticity ’83" that does not exist anymore in newer versions at all.
I really hope that Leif reconsiders the preset handling and adds an option to load presets from older versions.
It is really annoying to lose your favourite presets when you want to update the software.Other changes here:
viewtopic.php?p=3403#p3403Maybe Leif gives you the download links for older beta versions ?
Until an update will come with an option to load presets from older versions.[quote author=”sgeirk”]It’s a small problem and a small price to pay for an unbelievable tool.[/quote]???
We are talking about the changes of presets ("Twente") !I generally try to leave well enough alone, and not alter presets. However, if there are good enough reasons, I occasionally make changes in the name of improving Breakaway.
In the case of Twente, every pirate I met in Twente said they didn’t like the preset because it squashed the life out of the music they played, and they said they liked Plutonium except the AGC was too fast and brought up vinyl background noise too much. Thus, I designed the new Twente preset, and the result was a lot of happy pirates! I regret that not everyone is happy — in fact, all it takes is one person to not like the change for the statement "everyone is happy" to be untrue, and it seems you are that person. However, I can proudly state that a lot of pirates in Twente are now actually using the Twente preset. If you can tell me what you liked about the old preset and what you don’t like about the new one, perhaps I can make a recommendation (or a new, better preset).
For Rusticity ’83 and Moon’n’Spoon, the reason for removas was simple — they were awful, and had no votes in the preset popularity poll. 🙂
Michi, if you can tell me what part of it you liked, perhaps I can make a recommendation.
Rusticity ’73 will be back by popular demand, though.
Once we do a 1.0 release, I will commit to not removing/replacing any presets, but until then Breakaway is technically still in beta, so trial and error is a natural part of the development process.
Loading presets from files is not available because it’s essentially equal to full control. Full control is not available because leaving it out is the one thing that makes it possible to sell a specialized product so inexpensively, while leaving the door open for more advanced versions in the future.
All this being said, perhaps I can think of a good way to choose the older presets without them cluttering up the meny. I’ll keep it in the back of my head, if I can think of a good way I might do it 🙂.
Best regards,
///Leif[quote author=”Leif”]
In the case of Twente, every pirate I met in Twente said they didn’t like the preset because it squashed the life out of the music they played, and they said they liked Plutonium except the AGC was too fast and brought up vinyl background noise too much. Thus, I designed the new Twente preset, and the result was a lot of happy pirates! I regret that not everyone is happy — in fact, all it takes is one person to not like the change for the statement "everyone is happy" to be untrue, and it seems you are that person. However, I can proudly state that a lot of pirates in Twente are now actually using the Twente preset. If you can tell me what you liked about the old preset and what you don’t like about the new one, perhaps I can make a recommendation (or a new, better preset).///Leif[/quote]
Hi Leif,
It is difficult to describe it but the old sound was a bit more aggressive, it pumped a bit more. It is that sound that I heard here on Q music in Holland. Even the parts of the music that are quiet are being pumped up. SOunded like it used the limiter a lot.
I can understand that it is difficult to get everyone happy. I decided to buy BA live after hearing it at my friend’s home. Yes, he uses an illegal old version. Maybe I should have downloaded the new version first and listened to it, but I never thought that presets wouldn’t sound the same.he leif
the new twente preset sounds great but i most tell you that the old one for webcaster use souds a little better
and where is plutonium NR? that preset was suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuper.[quote author=”Leif”]I generally try to leave well enough alone, and not alter presets. However, if there are good enough reasons, I occasionally make changes in the name of improving Breakaway.
In the case of Twente, every pirate I met in Twente said they didn’t like the preset because it squashed the life out of the music they played, and they said they liked Plutonium except the AGC was too fast and brought up vinyl background noise too much. Thus, I designed the new Twente preset, and the result was a lot of happy pirates! I regret that not everyone is happy — in fact, all it takes is one person to not like the change for the statement "everyone is happy" to be untrue, and it seems you are that person. However, I can proudly state that a lot of pirates in Twente are now actually using the Twente preset. If you can tell me what you liked about the old preset and what you don’t like about the new one, perhaps I can make a recommendation (or a new, better preset).
For Rusticity ’83 and Moon’n’Spoon, the reason for removas was simple — they were awful, and had no votes in the preset popularity poll. 🙂
Michi, if you can tell me what part of it you liked, perhaps I can make a recommendation.
Rusticity ’73 will be back by popular demand, though.
Once we do a 1.0 release, I will commit to not removing/replacing any presets, but until then Breakaway is technically still in beta, so trial and error is a natural part of the development process.
Loading presets from files is not available because it’s essentially equal to full control. Full control is not available because leaving it out is the one thing that makes it possible to sell a specialized product so inexpensively, while leaving the door open for more advanced versions in the future.
All this being said, perhaps I can think of a good way to choose the older presets without them cluttering up the meny. I’ll keep it in the back of my head, if I can think of a good way I might do it 🙂.
Best regards,
///Leif[/quote]That preset is still there, technically. All presets can now be "NR." Just select "Plutonium" for your preset, and then go into the settings menu and make sure there’s a checkmark next to "Noise Reduction."
[quote author=”ASchuelke”]That preset is still there, technically. All presets can now be "NR." Just select "Plutonium" for your preset, and then go into the settings menu and make sure there’s a checkmark next to "Noise Reduction."[/quote]
thanks
gerrie
Speaking of the NR feature….
What kind of downsides are there?
I understand if there’s some high-end hiss or noise, the NR feature will try to get rid of it, but at what cost??
Thanks.
[quote author=”Leif”]I generally try to leave well enough alone, and not alter presets. However, if there are good enough reasons, I occasionally make changes in the name of improving Breakaway…..
Once we do a 1.0 release, I will commit to not removing/replacing any presets, but until then Breakaway is technically still in beta, so trial and error is a natural part of the development process.[/quote]I understand your point of view 100 percent.
It is your interest to improve everything (the presets) for the (perfect) 1.0 release.
And in first place you trust your own ears.I am not a broadcaster and it is more my private home fun to try everything that might improve my personal listening.
I prefer a wide dynamic range and have no problem to tweak my volume settings up and down from one song to the next (only exception: for a party I use it like all others).
That’s why I don’t need and don’t have interest in most of Breakaway’s presets.
So my (minority) opinion about the presets is more or less irrelevant for your decisions, because I am not a typical member of your target group (customers).The reason why I prefered the old "Twente" preset:
With this I can turn down almost all sliders and use it as a very good (and carefull) one-click remastering alternative option for a wide range of my music.
I would never use it (old "Twente") with the default settings.If I really need a compromise between dynamic compression and transparency I prefer from the new presets "Rustonium" (tweaks: Range 40, Power 33).
But for my ears Jesse’s old "Rusticity ’83" is still a little better and has more transparency (only tweak: Power 35).But this is only my (minority) opinion.
[quote author=”Leif”]For Rusticity ’83 and ….. they were awful[/quote]I hope Jesse is not here and reads this. 😆
I don’t believe it (Rusticity ’83) is awful.
Or have you put it into the beta without "asking" your own ears ?
(because Jesse said: "Believe me. It is a good preset.".) ?I still trust Jesse’s ears.
Well Rusticity ’83 was kind of an afterthought, but ’73 is for sure coming back. It’s definitely a preset that focuses on keeping midrange super duper solid, and for music styles that don’t rely (or want) tons of bass or treble on, the preset can sound less processed but still louder than any other on air.
That argument was enough to have Leif reconsider ’73.
But yeah I agree with you, it’s a great preset when it’s the kind of sound you want (and the bass boost can be used too of course). Imho unmatched for oldies that should still sound like oldies, just consistent. 😉 Actually for the ABBA vs ABBA at the beginning of Leif’s torture test, I have not heard a better consistency between the two.
I think it would be a bad thing if all presets ended up having the same spectral balance with loud input. True, that each preset really has most of its personality between the loud parts, but there should be a few presets with good personality even when "cranked", and Rusticity is one of them.
Moon & Spoon I don’t have a problem with seeing gone, but… for Disco, which it was made for, it is actually bloody fantastic. For every other format I’ve tried it with it’s totally whack. I won’t deny that. 🙂
Interesting situation. I’d hate to drive you towards using a cracked version when you’ve actually done the right thing and paid for it 🙂.
I think I have a solution. I’ll make an ini-file key, something like "include_obsolete_presets=1", and if a user sets that key, they’ll get the full list of presets including older ones. The list will get very long, but that way I can bring any old preset back for those who want them.
///Leif
[quote author=”Leif”]Interesting situation. I’d hate to drive you towards using a cracked version when you’ve actually done the right thing and paid for it 🙂.
I think I have a solution. I’ll make an ini-file key, something like "include_obsolete_presets=1", and if a user sets that key, they’ll get the full list of presets including older ones. The list will get very long, but that way I can bring any old preset back for those who want them.
///Leif[/quote]
Would be a good solution for my problem! I am not going to install that cracked version to get the old preset back, but at this moment I am a little jealous at my friend who has that Old Twente preset and didn’t even pay for it !! 🙂
[quote author=”sven_1968″][quote author=”Leif”]Interesting situation. I’d hate to drive you towards using a cracked version when you’ve actually done the right thing and paid for it 🙂.
I think I have a solution. I’ll make an ini-file key, something like "include_obsolete_presets=1", and if a user sets that key, they’ll get the full list of presets including older ones. The list will get very long, but that way I can bring any old preset back for those who want them.
///Leif[/quote]
Would be a good solution for my problem! I am not going to install that cracked version to get the old preset back, but at this moment I am a little jealous at my friend who has that Old Twente preset and didn’t even pay for it !! 🙂[/quote]
leif,count me in for these solution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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