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Hello,
I am testing a WiFi connection to my transmitter location.
Until Leif releases the stl version of his software, I am thinking to use my Omnia One and Barix exstreamer on remote site and BA live on studio.
Because omnia will do all the processing what preset do you suggest for BA live just to protect this link from clipping ?
Also if someone else is using Barix can tell me if I need to buy instreamer too or exstreamer can play my BA live’s stream (with edcast plugin) ?Any other suggestions for this setup ?
Thank you.
Hi, A Barix Exstreamer will play any MP3 stream if set as a stream puller. If using Edcast this will need to be either going thruough a local shoutcast server or be hosted by a shoutcast host if going thru the public internet.
In BA live, to prevent the link from clipping (which its unlikely to do), just attenuate the output by a few dB to give yourself some headroom, the Omnia will make up the difference in its AGC.
I would however suggest that you only have one of either BA Live or the Omnia carrying out the heavy processing and the other to be set to a very light protection mode. Double processing usually sounds awful as the various attack/release times react against each other.[quote author=”yorkie98″]
I would however suggest that you only have one of either BA Live or the Omnia carrying out the heavy processing and the other to be set to a very light protection mode. Double processing usually sounds awful as the various attack/release times react against each other.[/quote]
That’s why I ask which BA live preset will do better in such situation. Omnia will do all the processing.Thank you
Hi Bamp!
You get the best results by using one processor. I believe the Barix has a low enough noisefloor to not need processing or limiting beforehand — just make sure to never clip the input to the Barix, and you can make up the gain at the other end, in the processor.
May I ask, how did you decide to use the Omnia for main processing? Did you A/B Breakaway Live against the Omnia?
Best,
///Leif[quote author=”Leif”]May I ask, how did you decide to use the Omnia for main processing? Did you A/B Breakaway Live against the Omnia?
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I already own Omnia One and although I am not 100% happy with the sound I have, I like it more than a station here that uses BBP and claims that has the best sound in Greece (even in his web stream).
I know that this does not mean the BBP sounds bad. It’s just his settings.
I haven’t tried BBP yet but I hope to find time to test it the next days.
If you start selling your hardware processor I ‘ll be one of your customers for sure. Right now I don’t trust a pc stability for my onair sound.Regards
I think I know which station you’re referring to, and I can only agree. Any sound processor can be set up to sound bad, for sure 🙂.
When you try BBP, I think you’ll like it.
Before then, there’s really no advantage to involving Breakaway Live before the Barix or Omnia One, unless you want to use Breakaway’s AGC + Multiband with the Omnia only doing protection limiting. This would create an advantage if you prefer the sound of Breakaway over the sound of Omnia, which many do.
Using Breakaway Live as a protection limiter in this scenario has no advantage over feeding the Barix straight unprocessed audio, because every device has a clipping point.
If you clip Breakaway Live’s input, you’ll end up with serious distortion, just like if you clipped the Barix’s or the Omnia One’s input. The trick to avoid this is to set the input gain low enough that you NEVER clip, and then crank up the AGC of the processor to properly gain up the low level.
///Leif
Thank you Leif.
We ‘ll be in touch.Merry Christmas to you and all the people of this forum.
Are u talking to me ? ? are u talking tooooo meeeeeeeeeeeeee ? 🙂)
Hey, if all the radiostations in my area could be legal with 75 KHz deviation you would see the advantages of my sound.
i sound loud and …as clear as it can go with that extreme breakaway settings.
i know how to become more clear with all types of music using breakaway default settings BUT i want to be loud and legal 🙂
my station 75 KHz has exactly the same loudness with all the others who overmodulate with 120 KHz!
but , my station doesn’t sound to "people’s ears" the same as some stations that overmodulate with 180 and 200 KHz 🙂
i can be as loud as 120 KHz stations but not ..as loud as 180 and 200 KHz stations.i know how to become more clear but i prefer ..extreme loudness and legal modulation….thats all folks!
p.s.
Don’t forget that ..if broadcasting at 75 KHz modulation you will be compatible with all all all the radio recievers in the world !! ( car stereos, home stereos, mp3 players..bla bla bla…)
if i play at 120 KHz with my extreme settings…..i am sure that you will be excited 🙂 🙂 🙂[quote author=”camclone”]i sound loud and …as clear as it can go with that extreme breakaway settings.[/quote]Stavros.
I agree with the loud but not with "Clear".
[quote author=”camclone”] i know how to become more clear but i prefer ..extreme loudness and legal modulation….thats all folks[/quote]So you already understand that your sound is not so clear.
If you think that the listeners prefer loudness than quality you are on the right side.Please if you don’t mind we can continue this conversation in another thread because this post is for : STL setup.
To Leif:
One reason I wanted to use BA Live in studio is because it can use dsp plugins to encode a stream. I am currently using winamp with soundsolution but it crashes once in 10 days.
Do someone knows a stream player that can play files from a folder (as a backup) when the stream goes offline? I want to use that in my transmitter site in case my wifi connection fails.
If no, I ‘ll code one by myself.Dimitris
Hi Dimitris!
You are totaly right about my overlimited,clipped sound 🙁
If i was broadcasting in Athens i would totaly prefer clean sound than over-loud 🙂
Let’s talk about STL 🙂I wish someone could make a program which will do all the nesecary things you ask!
I want to buy that !!
0.0000 % tilts STL by WIFI with emmergency backup 192 KHz recorded playback!! wow! 🙂 i wish this could come true for a clean and loud 75 KHz broadcast !!does anyone know a program like this ?
🙁 🙁
I was planning to write STL software, but other projects got in the way.. May still happen in the future, but I have no idea when.
///Leif
[quote author=”Leif”]I was planning to write STL software, but other projects got in the way.. May still happen in the future, but I have no idea when.
///Leif[/quote]
Still eager to see this tho.. with the new exciters on the way, the STL will truly be the missing link in our "fully digital" aspirations.
If however you do think its time to make a start, please pre-consult with us so we can compile a wishlist of features.Hey dudes 🙂)
this "software STL through WiFi " project has no money ( for programmers ) in the "real world" of radio stations around the world.I mean that. Leif, cannot make much money with that project .
I think that Leif thinks more clear than ever 🙂 He must find a secure way of publishing his applications..and that was …using hardware 🙂
MPX clipper …hardware..
digital STL …hardware..
Digital direct synthesis Exciters ..hardware.Using a windows pc…is cheap but …cheap..
using a special hardware system without ..windows ..is stable, secure and the programmer ..will make much more money becuse of that "real world" theory.by the way… software STL should be very easy to make i think.
someone will make this !! who knows!
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