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May 14, 2009 at 11:39 am #340Dj BuikMember
After Google-ing a long time on the Internet, i’m still looking for the best suited Soundcard for Breakaway Professional Products.
The card i’m looking for needs to have the following features:
- (In) / Out sample rate 192 Khz
- ASIO driver
- 1x Stereo line in
- 1x RDS Airomate in
- 1x Stereo line out
- 1x MPX out
(Is it possible to have Stereo AND MPX out on the same ASIO card?
Who can give some suggestions?
May 14, 2009 at 3:07 pm #7273LeifKeymasterHi DJ Buik!
There *are* no cards that match all those specs, in that price range.
Looking at the cards that ARE in that price range, for example M Audio Delta Audiophile 192, and ESI Juli@, you get TWO analog channels — not four. It is unlikely that another manufacturer would offer more channels at the same price.
However — if you can use the Digital Output as L/R, then either of the two above cards will do the trick. Please note however that the Digital Output will be also be running at 192 kHz — whatever is receiving that digital signal will also have to handle that sampling rate.
In BBP ASIO, RDS Airomate In can come from a pipeline, so the sound card needs no channels for that. You will also be able to have a MONO analog studio line out, Stereo Digital Studio Out (192k) while also having a Analog MPX out. This basically meets your specs from standard AP192 or ESI Juli@ cards.
Best,
///LeifMay 16, 2009 at 1:11 am #7274camcloneMemberLeif,
THanks for everything …but..
Please pleaaaase, tell us what soundcard do U use for breakaway FM
or , just tell us the cheapest ASIO …flat responce ..no tilts ..soundcard!
thanks!
u r the best sound psychoacoustics engineeerrrrrrrrrrr
(M Audio Delta Audiophile 192, and ESI Juli@ ?? )
any link to buy? are they flat response? are they ASIO ?
Do u use them ?May 16, 2009 at 2:13 am #7275LeifKeymasterThank you for the vote of confidence 🙂.
I normally use a modified M Audio Delta Audiophile 192. It’s pretty good out of the box, but by adding in larger capacitors to the output, Tilt is reduced to almost nothing!
See the following instructions:
http://mpxtool.com/site/hardware-mods/3 … 2-mod.html
Most of this page deals with the INPUT. For BBP, you’re only interested in the Output — just search the page for "output" and you’ll find the instructions near the bottom.
I do not personally have an ESI Juli@, but I have all the following cards, and they all work fine with BBP:
Marian Trace 8 – 192k, 8 channels, DC straight outputs — no tilt!
Emu 0404 USB – USB 2.0, 192k, 2 channels.
Emu 0202 USB – USB 2.0, 192k, 2 channels.
Edirol UA-101 – USB 2.0, 192k, 8 channels.
Edirol FA-101 – Firewire, 192k, 8 channels.
LynxTWO – 192k, 4 channels. However, this card is EXPENSIVE, and you’d think that at this price, it’d be excellent — but it’s really not. Mediocre tilt performance, both input and output, prone to overheating etc.All the above cards support ASIO, but there’s one more variable — the available block sizes.
BBP ASIO, for optimum latency, needs ASIO block size 256 samples (at 192 KHz).
Next best is 512 samples, but any other size will mean buffering an extra latency.The EMU USB interfaces and the Edirol USB/Firewire interfaces do not have those buffer sizes due to driver limitations. Thus, I cannot recommend them unless you have no choice (i.e. running it on a laptop). They’ll work, but you’ll lose a few milliseconds of latency, and EVERY millisecond counts if you’re planning to monitor off air.
If you’re OK with using the low latency studio output, and not monitoring off air, it’s much less critical, and the USB / Firewire cards would then be absolutely fine.
For the cheapest ASIO sound card with flat response and no tilt, get the M Audio Delta Audiophile 192, and do the modification. All you need to do is to add two capacitors.
Best,
///LeifMay 16, 2009 at 3:43 pm #7276camcloneMemberExcellent presentation Leif!
Your last post was veeeeeery informative!
thank you!
May 16, 2009 at 6:02 pm #7277GustyArteParticipantHello Leif, i post the thread so as not to create a new one.
First of all sorry for my English.I have an audio card Terratec Aureon Space, works perfectly with Breakaway on MPX.
Know? work well? I recommend or buy another?Thank you
May 17, 2009 at 3:10 am #7278LeifKeymasterGusty, if it works, I recommend you stick with it and enjoy it 🙂.
///Leif
May 17, 2009 at 8:01 am #7279Dj BuikMemberThanks a lot Leif!
I changed my original posting, I removed the PCI and price options.
(Well i need to save some more money, to have one good sound card who suit my needs.)
So I think i go for the Marian Trace 8:
http://www.musicdeals.nl/product/marian-trace-8/
It’s about 360 EuroSo any other suggestions are (again) welcome.
May 17, 2009 at 8:36 am #7280AppieMember[quote author=”Dj Buik”]Thanks a lot Leif!
I changed my original posting, I removed the PCI and price options.
(Well i need to save some more money, to have one good sound card who suit my needs.)
So I think i go for the Marian Trace 8:
http://www.musicdeals.nl/product/marian-trace-8/
It’s about 360 EuroSo any other suggestions are (again) welcome.[/quote]
Much cheaper :
M-Audio Revolution 5.1 supports 192khz , need a little bit tilt calibration .
Works fine here with BBP and Airomate
Around 75 euro 😛May 17, 2009 at 9:31 am #7281Dj BuikMemberAppie,
I know this works, but i need ALSO BPP stereo monitor output.
Thanks for the tip.
I added a picture for my (future) Audio Chain.
August 4, 2009 at 2:56 pm #7282AnonymousGuestHow about the Chaintech AV-710? Has an ENVY24 chip and seems quite cheap.
August 4, 2009 at 5:53 pm #7283LeifKeymaster@DJ Buik: I don’t know how I missed that diagram the first time around! That looks nice 🙂.
Sfinx: I don’t know about the VIA Envy24. I haven’t tried it. I do know about VIA VT1708B (found on for example Asus P5KPL-AM) and it’s CRAP. If you scope the output when you play a 57 kHz sine wave, the output is nowhere close to a sine wave. This means the card will be spewing ultrasonic garbage into the transmitter. Not recommended.
///Leif
August 16, 2009 at 2:33 pm #7284AnonymousGuestLeif, any chances you could post a new URL for the M-Audio 192 modification ??? Seems that the link already posted is outdated.
Thanks !
Ricardo
BrazilAugust 22, 2009 at 1:20 pm #7285AnonymousGuestHey Leif, any chance of a future version of BPP ASIO supporting 96000 Hz sampling rate? Currently testing with a Edirol FA-66, unfortunately the 192 kHz rate disables the optical in/out on this unit.
Thanks for reading!
jay
August 22, 2009 at 1:42 pm #7286LeifKeymasterHi Jay!
Actually, 96 would have no advantage over 48.
192 can do MPX, but 96 cannot. So, use 48 🙂.
///Leif
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