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  • #431
    Riplee
    Member

    Leif,

    I poked around through some old posts, and I see your official stance for OS is Windows 2000.
    Just wondering if that’s still the case, and if so, can I assume the latest Service Pack is OK…I think it’s 4.

    I’ve been running XP Pro SP3, and lately I had some issues, and I’m thinking about rebuilding the machine, as I want it to be as solid as I can make it.

    Any suggestions from anyone reading this would be much appreciated….I’m always open to suggestions!

    Thanks!

    #7943
    Guillou
    Member

    If you want my opinion, I would use windows 2000 because it’s a Win XP without themes and lot of sotware you don’t need for a stand alone BBP PC.
    Windows 2000 use less memory that XP or vista or 7… and the kernel is similar.

    However, the most import is to make a clean install : format, install you OS, drivers, BBP and nothing else !
    Be careful with OEM preinstall of manufacturer because they have lot of bloatware and craps !!!! So, you should use the original CD from Microsoft.

    Be careful with drivers of your hardware, they can make problem with your OS if they have bugs or something else… Today, they are only made for XP and Vista.

    Otherwise, linux is better but BBP doesn’t run on this OS ! 😉

    My poor english don’t let me tell you more about this but Leif and other would probably help me ! 😀

    #7944
    Riplee
    Member

    Yeah…I plan to do a clean install, and only install what’s needed.
    I know Vista is not recommnded, just wondering about peoples feelings between XP and 2K.

    #7945
    JesseG
    Member

    Personally I would use XP since it’s still supported by M$. Unless it’s behind some other firewall (based on linux preferably) with very locked down access. I wouldn’t trust a software firewall on it to do the job.

    At any rate 2000 and XP both have a bug where the box just won’t make audio at all after exactly 365 days, and you need to reboot the machine. I had over 200 machines at LimeLight Networks that I was managing for about 5 years, all XP SP1… and they all had uptimes of 1 year other than one that failed because of the hard-drive. If it hadn’t been for that, they all would have had 5 years of uptime.

    Most guys that parrot Linux being more stable don’t like that hear that, but it’s 100% true. There is one thing about Linux that I will admit is that it’s more stable when you are abusing how it’s configured, and less knowledgeable about its internal functions.

    Themes in XP can be disabled easily. It’s a normal service. Just stop the service, set it to disabled, "problem" solved.

    #7946
    timmywa
    Participant

    I wish someone here would publish a list of Windows XP services that can safely be disabled. I know there are tons of forums that tell you that you can disable 90% of them. But I also know that you can over-do the service disabling and compromise the OS’ stability. Some easy ones would be the spooler, firewall, indexing, zero config….

    Anyone care to share?

    Thanks!

    #7947
    JesseG
    Member

    nah don’t disable the print spooler. it’s not just used for printing believe it or not, and this is a hold over from the very ancient days of windows (think v3.1 and earlier). at the time the print spooler was running in a special space/mode with unique interrupts etc and was used for a lot of things other than printing messages, so you need it for legacy support of a shrinking list of certain things.

    not sure how turning it off would increase stability even if you didn’t run into any problems by having it off. it’s one of those bits of code that is like a rock, and coded in MASM32.

    there are lists out there by the way. 😉

    #7948
    radiodisco
    Member

    Two old but very interesting guide about Optimizing Windows 2000 and Windows XP for Audio:

    http://www.digitalproducer.com/2002/11_ … caudio.htm
    http://www.audioforums.com/resources/wi … ation.html

    #7949
    Anonymous
    Guest

    I agree with JesseG.

    Personally I don’t feel the need to turn off alot of services unless the whole package has a lack of power, but then your starting off wrong I guess.
    I would just install the software you need and turn off stuff like indexing, system restore (on XP), auto updates and leave the rest alone.

    From hardware point I would check the cpu’s TDP (power it uses) the less = cooler = good
    For the motherboard I would choose one that has proven itself, so not the latest of the latest model. How many revisions on these things I see says enough about the initial release and eventual issues.
    VGA onboard is almost a must.
    I would also opt for a fanless system since everything mechanically dies.
    Maybe an ssd hard drive since the OS and software will take max 5 to 10GB but we are still unsure how they behave in the future.

    The worst part of a pc is hooking it up to a network and especially one that has internet access.
    If you feel the need to have this one on a network, which I find is a must for remote access, then you need to create seperate VLANs on your network. This way you can set boundaries, use the same network infastructure and be on the safe side.

    If you now buy a standard pc everything will run with very minimal cpu usage. As far as I know Leifs software doesn’t have any memory leakage.
    My radiopc at work (I am so environmentaly ashamed of this approx 90Watt) runs in W2K and has an uptime of … 6733 hours now at the moment. There is alot of crap on it installed and has full access to the internet.

    #7950
    emano
    Member

    True, if you only use your PC for processing the sound with BBP is better than Windows 2000 because it consumes less CPU and memory, Windows 2000 is fast. Windows XP brings more services that just do not need to use your PC for processing the audio.

    #7951
    Leif
    Keymaster

    XP embedded still beats all of the above — significantly smaller and lighter than Win2k, and it can boot off a USB flash drive. This yields a fast-booting rock-solid audio processor with no moving parts!
    The only downside is the way it’s licensed. They want you to pay $1000 for the tools to make an XP embedded image, and then $90 per deployed computer. Doesn’t really make sense if you’re building one machine.

    One could possibly argue that you’d be alright with an XP Home license considering that you wouldn’t be including even half of the features of that, but I’m no lawyer.

    Here’s just how slim it is:


    That includes file and printer sharing which allows you to map drives on an XPE machine. In fact, it includes most anything you need — it can be A LOT slimmer, although it’s hardly worth it. This image is about 250mb before you install any machine-specific drivers.

    ///Leif

    #7952
    Dj Buik
    Member

    I have only two applications running:

    1 – Ots AV
    2 – BreakAway Live

    Only five XP services are enabled and running:

    1 – Event Log
    2 – Logical Disk Manager
    3 – Plug and Play
    4 – Remote Procedure Call (RPC)
    5 – Windows Audio

    In the Windows Task Manager we see 14 processes and a CPU usage of about 40 %.

    (See the screen shots)

    With this machine i’m running audio only.

    For more information look at THIS site:

    http://www.blackviper.com/

    #7953
    Leif
    Keymaster

    WOW! That’s slim.

    You do miss out on network connectivity though. A blessing, perhaps? 🙂

    ///Leif

    #7954
    Dj Buik
    Member

    Leif,

    I don’t need networking when i play music.

    I made two hardware (Boot) profiles in XP, one full (All services running) and one audio.

    If i want to upgrade something i use the full profile.

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