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  • #16286
    mediaman943
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    Where is the pilot injection? It does not show on the misc/IO/Processor tabs. All I have showing four selections: “Latency Mode: Very High quality” “Pre-emphasis: 75” “Stereo” & “Multipath Mitigation: Off” Did it get moved? I just downloaded my copy 3 days ago. In pulling my hair out, I found a video on youtube that shows it on that screen as a fifth selection. Ive adjusted my modulation levels using the MPX output2 but am unable to separately adjust pilot injection to proper level.

    I’m only using 1 full FM core

    Thx much

    #16287
    pos1
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    It is fixed to standard 9%. if you have problems with the pilot level, check the rest of the hardware (the sound card must be set to 192K, the transmitter input must support MPX. If you are working with Chinese toys, then therein lies the error.

    #16288
    mediaman943
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    That’s very puzzling to learn.
    I’m fully aware of the requirements that these types of processing software need to work. Tried using a Marian Trace, an M-Audio 192, (in ASIO) and then an external Behringer UMC202 – adjusted pilot level to 9% using a Belar FMM-2/FMS-2 & Inovonics 531 mod monitors for good accurate measure. Using composite input of an old Broadcast Electronics FX30 exciter and alternately a BW Broadcast TX30. (there are no toys here….)
    All produced extremely similar measurements and results. When the pilot is adjusted to 9% using the MPX-2 output level, I can hardly make 60% total modulation. (it is not loud or competitive) When the MPX output level is increased to just below 100% peak mod, the pilot goes to 14%! Completely unacceptable for the application I am using it for – a licensed LPFM on a tight budget in a medium sized competitive market. I just don’t understand why Leif would omit this very important adjustment – I believe this was a big mistake. Unfortunately its a deal breaker. (Maybe I’m not the market he is going after with Breakaway One……) Does this “expert mode” I keep reading about restore the pilot level adjustment? Is it a command line switch? I’ve used most other processing software for years for the same types of applications and thought Breakaway One was within budget, and up for the challenge. Dissapointed because we really liked the sound – especially with the plutonium preset……

    #16289
    MrKlorox
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    This expert mode is an unauthorized hack of the application. Any video you see with it enabled is using illegal software.

    #16290
    pos1
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    hmm, you shouldn’t behave like that. Before the next step, check the stereo separation by turning off one of the channels going to the processor. If it is bad or not there is an attenuation in the MPX channel. If it is already ok we go on to look for a suspect.
    Try downloading the trial version again. Previously, deep delete the application. Set umc202hd to 192khz sampling rate. For the test, use the headphone output from the sound card (there is a possibility of incorrect wiring of the cable between the sound card and the transmitter – symmetry / asymmetry which can result in a similar problem) After reinstallation and selected preset, in BA one application graph pilot must be at -20db. Feed BaO with sound material. Average Input level should be in the range -10 to 0dB. At the same time the MOD indicator in BaO should be 100% (peaks). Set MPX limit to max + dB value (in I / O main).
    Now over Inovonics 531 read deviation. If you don’t get match deviation and pilot levels (+ – few percents overshoots) we go to the next step. Connect Inovonics 531 to PC and select graph and metering. In BaO MPX out play test mpx slow sweep. View the result of the Inovonicis graph. The frequency response from 30Hz to 57KHz must be within + -0.5dB (flat). If there is a significant deviation here, something is wrong with the hardware after the BaO. If this doesn’t help either, the only option is to write directly to Leif, or try another software solution. If the hardware is ok set up, you have a very strange and rare case.

    #16291
    pos1
    Participant

    PS

    There is another tricky way to attenuate pilot. Set the modulation to get 100% on modulation monitor. In MPX output section activate eq correction. PEQ 1 set to 19khz. Set Q factor at 0.20 or less. set gain PEQ1 to a negative value until you get 9%. The Q factor must be as low as possible, otherwise the attenuation will affect the audio spectrum. But it’s still very weird that you don’t have a correlation of 100% mod and 9% pilot

    #16292
    MPX Web Radio
    Participant

    Remember you can adjust the pilot using the PEQ adjustment. go to the MPX Output section and activate the PEQ. Set the frequency value to 19000hz (or the most close to it) and set Q to 0.1 (or the most lowest value) and then you can adjust the pilot to any level you desire. negative or positive.

    #16297
    MrKlorox
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    As Milky alluded in another thread, perhaps you need some pre-processing for the mic. You can try a VST plugin as an AGC. Stereo Tool works wonderfully with BreakawayOne and doesn’t cost very much for a basic license. Or you could run it as a stand-alone mic processor for nothing. Sadly, I don’t know of any other good AGC plugins off the top of my head.

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