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Hi Leif,
what can I do to obtain a sound like this: "http://91.121.149.39:8100" (Orban 8500 processed)? Some tips?
Bye, thanks. 🙂
Wow! That does have the signature smash on the high-end doesn’t it 🙂. That, and plenty of stereo enhancement, and treble boost.
There’s currently no preset that does exactly this — especially not with that much distortion (sorry, if you want the the distortion, you’ll have to buy the real thing), but here’s something that gets close to the spirit of the sound:
Effect plug-ins:
Bass-EFX (Level 2)
Spartacus (100%, 80ms)Signal settings:
Pre-emphasis 15us
De-emphasis OFF!. Thus, you’ll have to use L/R out with an external encoder — this setting does not affect the encoder plug-ins.Preset:
Amsterdam
Final Drive -3.0
Range: 40
Power: 50
Speed: 50
Bass Boost: +20
Bass Shape: 0This will be as bright, but punchier and more open — it won’t slam the treble like the 8500 does.
The treble slam, as far as i understand it, comes from multiband clipping and HF limiting, to prevent overloading the back-end with high-end (as that causes distortion with their back-end). BBP doesn’t have this problem, so it leaves the high-end open instead of smashing it together.
Also, the Amsterdam preset has pumping, which was designed into it. I will clean up the Amsterdam preset before the next BBP release — the novelty of pumping has long worn off.
Best,
///LeifAlright, I couldn’t resist, so I took the pumping out of the Amsterdam preset. (Unlike most processors, Breakaway doesn’t pump unless you specifically force it to, such as by adding a wideband compressor after the multiband. Thus, getting it to STOP pumping is as easy as removing the intentional pumping.) 🙂
I also (ab-)used the output settings to exaggerate the high-end while still getting the benefit of mp3 overshoot protection.
Pre-emphasis: 25us
De-emphasis: OFFAnd:
L/R PEQ Gain: -2.0 dB
L/R PEQ Freq: 17.6 KHz
L/R PEQ Width: 2.02 octThis creates a tiny bit of phase linear de-emphasis to pull the treble away from the edge of the waveform, while still leaving a lot of high-end (pre-emph is 25 after all).
Then, I ripped the Planet FM Milano stream and *ahem* acquired some lossy copies of the same music, and recorded through BBP using the new Amsterdam preset, Final Drive -3.0, 50/50/50, Bass +10, Shape 0.
Finally, I encoded to the same format (160kbps mp3 44.1khz stereo) with lame 3.97 default settings, and uploaded to:
http://bredband.leif.cx/browse/milano
The milano mp3s are bit accurate stream rips — not re-encodes.
Take a listen.
Best,
///Leifso pwnd.
This won’t work for FM broadcast though as you are already using the Pre-emph for EQ high gain like Leif said.
I could make a killer preset of this sound if only I had full control… 😉Actually it can. If you’re in a 50us country you can set pre-emph to 75 to get much brighter sound, and you can use the Transition Width/Slope controls to tame it down without losing loudness.
Transition Width/Slope is applied BEFORE the clipper. The PEQ is applied AFTER the clipper.
This doesn’t work if you’re in a 75us country (since there is no 100us option) but the thing is, there is absolutely positively no room for more high-end anyway, because of the extreme pre-emphasis boost necessary to even achieve flat response (with every receiver rolling off at 75us).
Full control version? It’ll come — if you can afford it 😉.
Best,
///LeifHi Leif,
now my fried "Upgrade" from Planet FM has modified its audio processor settings (a seven band stand-alone product). This is the URL: "http://217.133.30.28:8100". Some ideas to emulate this, more punch sound, with BBP?
Thx, bye. 🙂
Wait a second, what happened to the old "perfect sound" I spent a significant amount of time to emulate? How much could your ears have changed in a month?
///Leif
HI Leif, i answer because of some difficulties to explane the fact of Luk 🙂
This second srteam is another "unofficial" ant test Stream.The firsts , (the one that you have emulated the soun , is stilla ctive and is an Orban 8500 feeding the streaming encoder via the HD output, the pourpose of this test was to find a quite cood compromise between Inpact and artifacts ( Hi perfectly agree, the hi end of my stream was terrbly distort at the time of your "cloning") The target for this steam is intended for people with a good reproduction media , the sound is adapted also at the "format" of the radio station.
This second stream is an ANALOGIC, old , malfuctional, Internatinally known as a "nightmare" for a lot of people thet has used it.
Thi processor is feeded by the main program line and his out is connected to an analogic FM EXCITER., a tuner is feeding the streaming encoder, so this temporary stream is what comes from an fm Tuner ( an old old Thecnichs) .
I have "found" this processor standing in a corner of my Lab , and i have done this test, pubblishing the URL of the stream on another forum just to have impressions … Luk has heard this test , and wanted to try to emulate this one for his On air Breakaway broadcast processor 🙂Adriano
[quote author=”Leif”]Link doesn’t work — can’t connect.
///Leif[/quote]
Hi Leif,now link work fine. Copy and paste this URL: "http://217.133.30.28:8100" in Window Media Player.
Bye, thanks. 🙂
Tried it. Even compared to the 8500 stream, the new one is wimpy and weak sounding, and also neither loud nor clean.
I can’t find anything worth emulating on that stream.
LuK, you never actually responded, what did you think about the clips I posted? What are your comments?
///Leif
[quote author=”Leif”]Tried it. Even compared to the 8500 stream, the new one is wimpy and weak sounding, and also neither loud nor clean.
I can’t find anything worth emulating on that stream.
LuK, you never actually responded, what did you think about the clips I posted? What are your comments?
///Leif[/quote]
I’m sorry Leif, but my english is very bad. I’ll try to explain my impressions:I’ve tried all your suggestions (with little modified), ecxept the Spartacusus plugin (because I don’t like it and in Adriano’s 8500 streaming, stereo enancher was disabled). This is my actual settings:
Effect plug-ins:
Bass-EFX (Level 2)
Impact/Clunk (Clunk 1 – Slam 2)Signal settings:
Pre-emphasis 25us
De-emphasis OFF! (I’m using an external aac+ encoder)And:
L/R PEQ Gain: -2.0 dB
L/R PEQ Freq: 17.6 KHz
L/R PEQ Width: 2.02 octPreset:
Amsterdam
Final Drive -3.0
Range: 57
Power: 56
Speed: 55
Bass Boost: +24
Bass Shape: 3This is a resulting stream: "http://kos.broadstreamer.com/cgi-bin/listen.pls?7280".
What do you think about it? In my opinion, it’s a very good sound, but I also love the "V" curve of Helix Preset, and the great bass impact present in that preset is more similar to Orban 8500 philosophy. For me the "perfect sound", would have to be a compromise between the loudness and cleansing of amsterdam preset being involved appeal of the helix preset.
About the clips, I think that BBP versions are more brilliant and less distorted than Radio Planet ones (mid and high frequencies are incredible), but 8500, IMHO, win in bass impact and bass presence/punch.
Thx for your patience and for all your great work. Bye. 🙂
Hi to all , now the streaming http://217.133.30.28:8100 is feeded by a MICROGEN Ts9000a the old technics st-7200 was ready to go Bananas!! 😀
Now i think is more similar to the real on-Air sound
Bye
Adriano
Ps: Breakaway is rocking the airwaves in a SW station here in Europe … it sound FANTASTIC with 130% positive peak modulation!! i LOVE the tools to linearize the modulation envelope!! Great work Leif , also for the AM!!
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