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February 16, 2010 at 7:23 pm #697yorkie98Participant
Radio on-air processing fans will no doubt be watching closely what the major names will be up to at this spring’s NAB Show.
Radio World has gleaned some details about the pending new Orban Optimod-FM 8600, the latest FM processor from that big player in the high-stakes, high-emotion FM processing niche.
While the 8500 will continue to ship “for years into the future,” according to company insiders, the 8600 will begin shipping within weeks of the spring convention and the price of the earlier model will fall.
Here’s what RW has learned:
Orban will emphasize that the 8600 gives “dramatically improved” peak limiter technology that decreases distortion while increasing transient punch and high-frequency power handling. “Compared to the FM-channel peak limiter in Optimod-FM 8500,” company materials will state, “the new peak limiter typically provides 2.5 to 3 dB more power at high frequencies, which minimizes audible HF loss caused by preemphasis limiting. Drums and percussion cut through the mix. Highs are airy. ‘Problem material’ that used to cause audible distortion is handled cleanly.”
Orban will tell NAB attendees that while the design offers “about the same loudness as 8500 processing, its main goal is to make FM analog broadcasts more competitive with the cleanliness, punch and open high frequencies of the digital media against which FM analog transmissions now battle.” The company states in a product summary: “The FM loudness wars were so 20th century; in the 21st century the new foe is digital media.”
Features also will include parallel processing for digital channels like HD Radio that simulcast program material on FM analog. Except for the AGC, the analog FM and digital radio channels will be independent and separately adjustable. The 8600’s digital radio channel promises a new peak limiter. As before, an FM-only model without processing for digital radio will be made available at lower cost.
Fans of the 8500 can run their favorite presets on the new unit. Various popular 8500 features are carried over to the 8600.
The new unit also lets users in countries enforcing ITU-R 412 MPX power limits to apply MPX power gain reduction after the clippers so that the texture of the processing can include more “clipper sound.”
The processor will offer six structures. Four are the same as in the Optimod-FM 8500. New “MX” structures (five-band and two-band) are similar to their earlier counterparts but use the new peak limiting technology, which Orban says will decrease distortion while achieving big improvements in transient punch and high frequency clarity. “This advanced technology requires more input-to-output delay than the older structures, so it is impractical for talent to monitor these structures off-air with headphones. The 8600 offers a special low-delay monitor output for this purpose.”
The Optimod-FM 8600 HD Digital will retail for $13,990 while the non-HD Radio version will be three grand less. The current 8500 drops in price; the Optimod-FM 8500 HD Digital becomes $9,590 while the FM-only version is one thousand less.
February 17, 2010 at 12:18 am #9871Q106MemberWonder what Omnia’s offering will be? Wasn’t a big fan of the Orban 8500.Did not care for the bass management and i found unless you ran hard bass clipper and a real conservative preset, it would pump.The high end had too much distortion for my ears.I liked the 6EXI alot,louder with much more clarity.Don’t worry Mr. Foti will have a weapon at NAB,i’m sure.
February 17, 2010 at 2:35 am #9872LeifKeymasterI would *love* to hear the torture test (mpx) through an 8600. Does anyone actually have one yet?
Judging from their press statement alone, the 8600 should sound as good as BBP! Will be interesting to see if the actual product lives up to it. I for one would absolutely welcome some competition when it comes to audio quality!
///Leif
February 17, 2010 at 5:20 pm #9873AnonymousGuestjust suspicious; Orban Optimod-FM 8600 release has been postponed
because some guys from Orban tech dept have listened BBP
… and knocking on their own head; how can be their masterpiece,
smoked up by a little program, 1/40 retail price….
😉February 17, 2010 at 10:23 pm #9874yorkie98ParticipantIs this fact or just a rumor? It would be very funny if it were true, especially as the composite clipper is still being held back (the feature we really want..) this would swing the balance back in BBP’s favour big time.
February 19, 2010 at 9:26 am #9875LeifKeymaster[quote author=”yorkie98″]this would swing the balance back in BBP’s favour big time.[/quote]
Yorkie, even so, both my clipper and composite clipper are so unorthodox that I really doubt Bob has suddenly had the same ideas. There may of course be other ways to make a better sounding clipper.. I can’t wait to compare it to BBP on something like glockenspiel or Evanescence 🙂.
///Leif
February 20, 2010 at 10:04 pm #9876JesseGMemberNAB is less than 2 months away, so we’ll see what everyone brings to the table, won’t we. 8)
One thing I might add is that Optimod 8600’s
quote :advanced technology requires more input-to-output delay than the older structures, so it is impractical for talent to monitor these structures off-air with headphones.but Breakaway ASIO is already capable of lower latency than full latency 8500 presets. So chew on that for a while.
February 21, 2010 at 3:07 pm #9877yorkie98ParticipantVery good point Jesse, I have never used ASIO version and doubt I ever will as latency not an issue for me but may have a play with the demo someday just to see what it does.
February 21, 2010 at 5:47 pm #9878camcloneMemberLeif,
If Bob Orban makes you a money offer to work for him… will you go ? ?!!: 🙂say yes say yes say yes 🙂
Your BB program is almost finished and will live for 15 + years
Now it’s time for publicity and …money 🙂 why don’t you work with them ? it’s time to move again to another country i think..🙂sorry for beeing rude.
😳February 21, 2010 at 6:43 pm #9879Q106MemberDon’t think Leif would be a player, after all, he already has the best product and nothing beats being your own boss.
February 21, 2010 at 7:06 pm #9880JesseGMember[quote author=”Q106″]Don’t think Leif would be a player, after all, he already has the best product and nothing beats being your own boss.[/quote]
That and… Leif already technically works for Telos/Omnia via licensing his processing to Linear Acoustic which has over 75% market share in digital television right now. You really don’t think he licenses it to them, and helps them develop new products, for free… ?? 😆-J
p.s. he already worked for Orban, on the 8400 project.
March 1, 2010 at 6:50 am #9881LeifKeymaster[quote author=”camclone”]Leif,
If Bob Orban makes you a money offer to work for him… will you go ? ?!!: 🙂say yes say yes say yes 🙂
Your BB program is almost finished and will live for 15 + years
Now it’s time for publicity and …money 🙂 why don’t you work with them ? it’s time to move again to another country i think..🙂
[/quote]Been there, done that. Working for Orban is actually what moved me from Sweden to the US in 1999. I spent 8 years of my life in the states. No offense to either americans or employers, but hell will freeze over before i live in the states or accept employment again 😉.
///Leif
March 1, 2010 at 12:14 pm #9882Q106MemberWhen hell freezes over? That’s what they about the Saints winning the super bowl.(ha)..But i sure understand your point.Nothing better that being you own boss..
April 8, 2010 at 5:07 pm #9883AnonymousGuestThe new Optimod is now online:
April 9, 2010 at 4:18 pm #9884SparkyMemberAmusing thread.
Being one’s own boss is extremely liberating in many ways, especially mentally. However as a whole you generally work much much harder then you would for a 9-5 job. The key is to love your work so much the extra effort isn’t felt like a burden. Once you have escaped the cloth-lined cubicle prison, it’s hard to want to ever go back to a "normal" job. Plus the financial rewards are nice should you and your product become a success. Nothing like being closer to the money vs. the invisible corporate CEO taking the biggest slice of the pie that you baked with your blood and sweat.
Personally, I find time flexibility as the biggest benefit to working for one’s self. Structuring your life around that immovable block of time working for someone else ie. "the 9-5 job" can really be depressing.As for living in the states, well the Bay area is a tough and expensive place to call home. Having been there done that, the novalty wears off in about 1 month. However there still are nice places to reside in the USA with out all the BS. Colorado is one of them. UT and NM are others.
quote :If Bob Orban makes you a money offer to work for him… will you go ? ?!!:The key here is for Leif to license his sw to Orban and Omnia. This way he can let the big boys fight it out on who’s better, he can code to his hearts delight with no encumbrances, and collect cash from either team win or lose. 8)
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