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  • #1019
    Anonymous
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    Hello, I downloaded the Breakaway Broadcast Demo and have it working fine
    on windows 7. Using a Marconi FM modulator with the BB Stereo encoder enabled
    or disabled I am having trouble getting the sound correct so perhaps someone can
    help.

    Working with the available presets there appears to be a bias on each preset to
    midrange frequencies. Some are worse than others, I found the oldies preset to
    be ok for mid but lacking in other areas.

    This leads to my question. How can I reduce the mid-range frequency gain on the
    processor so as to make the listening experience less harsh to the listener.

    I did no pre-processing of the audio. Currently I am just testing using cd’s on the
    PC. Is it a best practice to not do this but instead use line in audio and pre-process
    the audio with a mild cut to the mid-range to achieve the desired results ?

    Thanks for any advice Jane

    #11705
    Modulator
    Member

    Use the parametric equalizers, and with QuickSweep + oscilloscope, tune the response to be flat.

    #11706
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Well I went through that setup using some documents that I found on this site.
    I adjusted the tilt as it was off using one of our lab scopes.

    I notice that while the above can certainly improve the flatness they really dont do anything
    with the actual audio colouring.

    i Am using gigabyte ga-890gpa-ud3h with 4gig ram and a Phenom II quad core black edition.
    This board Has onboard audio using a realtek ALC892 Chipset. Iam wondering if this chipset
    is any good for this application. I also tried the setup with win2003 to see if the OS was part
    of the equation but results are the same.

    The audio quality from native cd’s etc is clean. Modulation control is good in that it keeps to
    75khz deviation without any real issue. The problem is that the audio sounds sterile or put
    another way its not warm.

    It honestly sounds like the mid range frequencies are given more gain so they are more pronounced over the highs and lows. What I would like to do is adjust the mid range
    response to make it sound warmer.

    Is it possible to do this ?

    Thanks Jr

    #11707
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Just to follow up.

    The issue I was having with the audio was due to the BB Demo. It was not working correctly
    on my motherboard with the ALC892 realtek chipset. Basically audio was present, 19Khz was
    present but there was no 38Khz switching, so the music was in mono.

    I downloaded a beta ver v0.90.95 and right out of the box this version works great even without
    adjusting tilt etc. Audio is clean and solid. Listening to radio stations in my market doing a quick
    sweep across the dial the audio quality, seperation of stereo image, overall listenability is stunning
    compaired to the commerical fm stations.

    Peak control of the deviation works very well. The processed audio is more dynamic overall than other
    stations. Its easy to listen to regardless of the format. I have hit the BB processor with everything from
    classical to rock, techno , trance.. Wow its just amazing. Even using some grunge lower quality mp3’s it
    still sounds great.

    It might be an idea to replace the downloadable ver with the beta ver on the site.

    Thanks Jane R.

    #11708
    NorthSound
    Member

    It’s really OK, dont worry about the beta.. I have them (a lot of these beta versions),
    up and running for months, without an issue (even without restart the machine !!).

    A new, clean and light version of the OS is recommended, Windows XP is more than enough, Tiny or
    microXP is better, windows XP embedded is the BEST!!

    To have a working stereo encoder you need a good 192khz capable soundcard, just get
    an ESI Juli@, good price, EXCELLENT drivers, rock solid.

    Thats all !
    Nice Broadcasts.

    #11709
    Anonymous
    Guest

    I would be really leery about using XP for a 24×7 system thats expected
    to remain up all the time. The memory management on xp is not that great.
    Windows CE might be a better option but I dont know if the ESI Juli drivers
    support it.

    The new line of win7 embedded looks like a viable alternate for a dedicated box.

    I did some additional testing on both XP and win7 using the realtek ALC892 chip.
    The chip works fine at 192Khz. The drivers for xp are slightly harder to configure
    in that enabling the 192khz bit rate is not obvious. The output sampling rate is
    combined with the analog output rate but to change it you have to go to the
    digital spidif settings in the realtek HD manager. Also enabling the realtek mixer
    disables the 38Khz SUB carrier completly.

    I will go ahead and get a ESI card. There cards appear to be more dedicated to
    higher end systems.

    The current version of BB processor seems to work good even though its listed as
    a beta. I assume the entire BB line is very much a work in progress. I was wondering
    when there will be a shipable product thats gone through a complete testing cycle.

    Thanks J

    #11710
    Modulator
    Member

    I think that Breakaway professional products are already used in production environments around the world.

    #11711
    Anonymous
    Guest

    I am sure they are. The product is really good imho. My point I guess was
    if one goes out and purchases a product from competing manufacturers such
    as Orban or others It dont say demo on the product or beta on the piece of
    hardware.

    One could argue that every piece of hardware that contains software is a beta,
    hey if it compiles ship it right..

    I think the label "Beta" detracts from selling the software. Beta to me means it
    aint finished or it has problems.

    I looked over the site trying to find info on the testing cycle that the products go
    through. I could only find info that people posted in regards to how the software worked
    for them. Typically most manufacturers have baseline standards for testing, the begging
    question is whats the BB standard ?

    Is it hobbyware or commerical or what you see is what you get ?. It would be nice to
    see a reference design that details hardware so as to create a box thats got 24×7 uptime
    as a baseline to get in the game.

    Either way I think its excellent. A job very well done IMHO.

    Thanks J

    #11712
    RodeoJack
    Member

    Elsewhere in this site, you’ll find comments regarding dedicated boxes. Windows embedded and solid-state hard drives are discussed there.

    On the other end of the scale, I’ve had a couple of BBP installs up & running on common Dell computers for over a year… Win7, 24/7, Juli@ cards, no problems.

    #11713
    sgeirk
    Member

    I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again.

    The software is as stable as it possibly could be. You should be more concerned about the hardware you run it on.

    I’ve had Breakaway Live and BBP running on streaming encoders and on the air without a single hitch or crash.

    The on-air BBP machine has been running 7 months without issue. Cheers.

    #11714
    JesseG
    Member

    I ran XP SP1 for 4.5 years straight on over 200 machines at RadioIO. The 1 machine that failed was a hard drive going out.

    And we didn’t do much special to make that happen either. Just a basic tweak with xpAntiSpy to remove a few things and shut off windows networking, and of course the machines were firewalled (Foundry) from the internet…

    I don’t know why people have unstable experiences with XP, cos we didn’t do anything special at all. And it ran for the extent of those machine’s stay in that NOC.

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