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  • #1273
    ako673de
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    Hello,

    I’m currently trying out your audio enhancer v1.30.02RC. First of all: The core features are "rock bottom"! I’ve never seen the like. Other popular enhancers are FAR behind.

    However there are some issues and problems, I’d like to know beeing resolved before I finally buy:

    1) My system won’t automatically enter power saving modes. This topic has been discussed somewhere else in this forum and there it ended "solved". So, why not on my side? I’m unsing Win7-x64. Any ideas?

    In detail: "powercfg -requests" shows, that it’s the Breakaway-Pipeline that is permanently keeping a channel open. Don’t think about blaming the Realtek HD audio drivers, they are also shown active, but ONLY if they are configured as output device in Breakaway! Another thingy: If Breakaway is showing the "settings" it does not show up in "powercfg -requests".

    Hmmm, well, do we have the same idea? What about writing a little proggie that detects audio activity and puts Breakaway in "settings" mode when idle? If interested, I could write such hack. However I would need some prerequisites, like e.g. how to control breakaway from the commandline – if possible anyway, because if possible we could also easily workaround the "no hotkeys" issue, couldn’t we?!

    2) Of course I do not only have 2ch material, like music, but also 5.1ch material, like movies (and more). For now there seems to be only one way to get those channels above 2.0 out to the speakers, and that is by configuring an audio renderer that does not use the Breakaway "Line1" device (activating the "bypass" switch in Breakaway is NOT enough!). Excuse me for the question, but don’t you think, that an application tapping into the sound output at the very far back end of the chain should be aware of all possible channel configurations, and if unable to handle, should at least pass them through untouched? After all there is only one application left for a tool that does not recognize channels above 2.0 correctly: Music. And therefore we could also use a dedicated plugin, e.g. for Winamp, like the one you gave us some years ago 😉

    3) Am I correct, that your tool does not provide something like profiles and/or support for hotkeys? If that’s true you obviously think that one setting for all the kinds of material is enough, because if not you would for sure very soon become extremely annoyed by again and again opening the main window and moving (often not only one) sliders to their optimum positions respectively.

    EDIT (a new day => a new bug):
    3a) Did you know that there is software out there that relies on working Windows volume sliders? This kind of software will try to control the system volume other than with the Multimedia keys (which you recommend to be the only way to control the volume if BAE is present, don’t you?). In my case I have a remote that doesn’t allow to reassign the "volume" media keys, so I virtually have no volume control at all (besides clicking around in the taskbar with a mouse I normally don’t have around with this HTPC). OK, you might say, that’s the fault of the remote driver. No in my opinion it isn’t, because Windows standard is to use the Windows volume levers and nothing else. I understand however, that volume needs to be controlled by BAE itself, but what do you think about stacking two audio devices (one for the enhancement, and one for the volume control) and making them communicate with each other?

    (The relevant part of) my HTPC is built of an on-board realtek soundcard with 6 channels connected via analog cables to a Teufel surround system. The speaker software is configured for 5.1 output channels.

    best regards
    ako673de

    #5448
    ako673de
    Member

    *Push*

    Nobody interested in these issues? Am I really the only one? How about the programmer himself? After all it’s his money he’s going to miss…

    best regards
    ako673de

    #5449
    kes11
    Member

    You’re asking allot of a $30 piece of software, aren’t you? If you search for forum you will find there are future plans for a "surround sound" version of Breakaway. Idk if you are going to be successful running surround sound until an actual version is written for that.

    #5450
    ako673de
    Member

    [quote author=”kes11″]You’re asking allot of a $30 piece of software, aren’t you? If you search for forum you will find there are future plans for a "surround sound" version of Breakaway. Idk if you are going to be successful running surround sound until an actual version is written for that.[/quote]

    Oh well, I think it doesn’t really matter what price, if I can’t really acceptably use it, then it even could be for free, or you could even pay ME for using it, but I still would not use it.

    Do you really understand what I currently need to do to at least be able to use this software? I have to configure all programs except for Winamp not to use BA because the two channels BA leaves over from a 6ch stream don’t really sound so good. And if I leave I have to activate the settings screen of BA for it to release my system to hibernation. The whole vice versa when I get back. To control volume I have to connect a keyboard (with media keys!) because there’s no way to do this with a regular remote control. Other applications of course need other volume control. I really cannot imagine that anybody in the world would tolerate this for a long time.

    By the way: I did search the forum, and if you had read my post you would have noticed that. My problem is, that these other threads often end up hanging in the middle of a discussion, often I miss a timeline, often there is not even a precise plan, and in some cases the author is still explicitely advertising features that simply do not exist. Therefore I thought it might be a good idea to combine everything in one thread and try to get some more precise answers.

    Just blame me for that, if you don’t have something more helpful to say, but you might also have noticed that I’m not willing to give up too soon. I really like this software, regarding the core feature it’s the best I’ve ever seen. It would really be a shame if we could not overcome the problems easily. I even plan to write a program to workaround some of the problems. If it’s that easy why do we need to wait more than a year for the author to release a bugfix version? Maybe he isn’t even aware?

    hope to read something helpful soon (the trial period expiration date is closing in)
    ako673de

    #5451
    ako673de
    Member

    Thank you for not answering 😥 . Breakaway software removed from my computer. It’s a relief. I simply cannot use it and I suppose that’s true for most probably every other (Win7) user, who wants to use it on a HTPC.

    Veeeery sad.

    Pls let me know (in a few years or so) when you have your software ready for "normal" use…

    regards
    ako673de

    #5452
    JesseG
    Member

    Kinda harsh, considering the usability is among the best I’ve ever seen from ANY software in ANY category, for "newbs" to audio related software.

    That aside… yes, you’ll have to wait for the home theater version, if you’re on a surround setup, period. As far as "at any price" comment, it’s ridiculous to think that the profit margin doesn’t effect development. The profit margin of the $30 version is basically non existent. So it IS asking a lot of a $30 piece of software that technically should cost thousands of $$. Look at the history of broadcast audio processing prices, if you want a wakeup call as to how unusual it is to have access to this processing for under 2-3 grand, or even under a few hundred bucks.

    Thanks for watching the site though, for the home theater version to come out. Looking forward to you demoing it, because there’s some absolutely killer stuff in it specifically for surround. Not to mention Undo.

    #5453
    werxie
    Member

    I disagree with the negativity of this topic, I’ve been using this software for a couple of years now and find it brilliant. I am looking forward to surround sound support though and was wondering if you could give any guess (however vague) as to when it will be available?

    I only really want the support for gaming purposes 🙂 In any case, brilliant software and one of the best purchases I’ve ever made.

    #5454
    ako673de
    Member

    Don’t get me wrong. My first impression was just the same: Brilliant! But unfortunately that’s only true for the core features. In normal life it simply is not usable and not only regarding surround.

    What I described were issues in a certain, maybe uncommon, but still regular hardware and software environment. I’m quite sure the author wasn’t or isn’t aware of all of them.

    That’s where this thread REALLY started to become "negative", because I don’t quite like to be ignored 😉. I’m sure that my observations are proven, so why does nobody at least ask about some details…?

    Never mind.
    ako673de

    #5455
    Milky
    Keymaster

    [quote author=”ako673de”]That’s where this thread REALLY started to become "negative", because I don’t quite like to be ignored 😉. I’m sure that my observations are proven, so why does nobody at least ask about some details…?
    [/quote]

    I can only speak for myself, by suspect others might be in the same boat.
    1) I have Breakaway DJ, which behaves flawlessly in my environment, so I couldn’t be happier (although I am on record as saying I would like some more presets).
    2) I am not familiar enough with your product to provide support, if that was what you were seeking.

    #5456
    ako673de
    Member

    [quote author=”Milky”][quote author=”ako673de”]2) I am not familiar enough with your product to provide support, if that was what you were seeking.[/quote][/quote]
    Thank you for your interest.

    If you read my initial post you might have noticed that the problems can only be solved in two ways:
    1) Fix the software
    2) Buy other hardware

    I can do nothing about software, well, maybe except for changing to another OS, but that’s not open for discussions, so here is where I really hoped for support from the author.
    I could do something about hardware, but, well, I don’t want to, because in general it works flawlessly, and on the other hand, why should I? It’s software that should fit to the hardware, not vice versa.

    stuck. Waiting…
    ako673de

    #5457
    Dj Buik
    Member

    [quote author=”ako673de”]It’s software that should fit to the hardware, not vice versa.[/quote]

    Excuse me?

    Say that to Microsoft, Adobe and all other (big) software developper companies.
    Then they are laughing at your face.

    #5458
    Milky
    Keymaster

    No, bad argument. You have a Win7 Atom PC and a Sanyo 10 watt per channel amp which "work flawlessly", and you therefore want the software to conform to that? Provide us with some serious specs, and compare that to the minimum requirements.

    #5459
    ako673de
    Member

    [quote author=”Dj Buik”]Excuse me? Say that to Microsoft, Adobe and all other (big) software developper companies. Then they are laughing at your face.[/quote]
    Excuse me! At least they are laughing at me. No more do I expect. Just tell me: "Sorry, but your hardware configuration is to obscure for ever being supported by my software". It will be alright with me. I’ll go out find one that does. But now it’s as I said: Stuck! Should I wait for the new version? Does it pay off… while my intuition tells me, that still nobody understood, what the problems are? Got my point?

    [quote author=”Milky”]You have a Win7 Atom PC and a Sanyo 10 watt per channel amp which "work flawlessly"[/quote]
    I have a Win7 desktop PC with a Z68 chipset motherboard, a Core-i3 2100T Processor, 4GB RAM, using on-board hardware ONLY, except for an additional SAT-TV twin receiver card (PCIe 1x), and a remote control receiver connected via USB. The Teufel (5.1) amp (read the original post!) is connected to the 3 rear panel 3,5mm jacks. Please show me, where to find the "minimum requirements" that tell me, that surround is not supported. I didn’t find them.

    However, why are all of you so tightly sticking to the surround issue. YES, I DID UNDERSTAND, there will be another version (sometime) supporting this. But, there are 3 other issues, that are much more severe?

    best regards
    ako673de

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