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June 4, 2010 at 8:11 am #837AnonymousGuest
I’m trying to setup Breakaway Live to sound as perfect as it is possible.
So, most of my audio files are in FLAC format, some in 320 MP3.
I’m using RadioDJ Radio Automation for my station. Is a new, free software (http://www.radiodj.ro), with very good automation and rotation.
I’m sending the audio to BPL via Pipeline.
When I’m trying to play an audio file from RadioDJ, especially Lady GaGa – Love Game, i’m hearing something bad in my ears but i can’t explain it in english.
If i play it from winamp (connected via pipeline with the same volumes) it sounds better.
I made some screenshots recording the audio after pipeline and before BPL and some screenshots recording after BPL output.
Can you help about this? Is the output from RadioDJ bad?
Thank you
June 4, 2010 at 8:20 am #10794AnonymousGuestHere are the screenshots before breakaway.
June 4, 2010 at 8:22 am #10795AnonymousGuestScreenshots from Breakaway output.
June 4, 2010 at 2:22 pm #10796michi95Member@ vpnmaster
Please, do not use JPEG format for such waveform pics.
For this purpose JPEGs are the wrong choice.
Use PNG instead !
It creates much smaller files (for pictures with limited colours) and most important the PNGs will be lossless !JPEG format is only recommended for pictures (or screenshots) of very complex picture content such as real camera shots (humans, animals, sceneries, buildings, etc.) with millions (or thousands) of colours.
But for schematic pictures (with limited colours) like program window content PNG is the standard format.So, please next time use PNG (or if you still have the original BMPs, please replace the JPEGs here with new PNGs) !
If you are not sure how complex a screenshot is (how many colours it has),
you can do the following:
1. Try PNG format and see how big the resulting file would be as PNG file.
2. Try JPEG (but please with higher compression ratio as you did here)
and see how big the resulting file would be as JPEG file.June 4, 2010 at 8:29 pm #10797yorkie98ParticipantAudio clips would be far more useful..
June 5, 2010 at 12:18 am #10798JesseGMemberNot needed. I can tell in half a second that RadioDJ is processing the audio. A lot. That’s the problem. You need to figure out how to turn off ALL audio processing that RadioDJ is doing.
June 5, 2010 at 3:46 am #10799AnonymousGuestJesseG thank you a lot for your answer.
All processing from RadioDJ is off (flat).
So you think this is the reason i have "distortion" at high levels?June 5, 2010 at 4:10 pm #10800JesseGMemberRadioDJ is still processing the audio, absolutely.
Here’s the difference between the two…The green that’s left is what RadioDJ is doing.
Notice how it’s almost completely symmetrical too.
Definitely some pretty heavy dynamics processing still
going on there.June 5, 2010 at 10:06 pm #10801AnonymousGuestThe programmer from RadioDJ tells me that he hasn’t add any extra code. So, he thinks that the problem is from bass.dll (audio engine).
Maybe i must find a more professional radio automation with clear audio output…Here are the posts:
http://www.radiodj.ro/community/index.php/topic,507.0.htmlJune 6, 2010 at 7:14 pm #10802JesseGMemberI did some research, and apparently there’s an "mp3 free" version of it that just uses the OS’s default mp3 decoder, and there’s the normal version of bass that uses mpg123.
You might try the two different versions, and see if that makes a difference. The full BASS version with mpg123 should be the one you wanna use. But try both.
Latest version download:
http://www.un4seen.com/download.php?bass24the normal bass.dll in the main directory, and the "mp3 free" version in that directory of the zip of the same name. 🙂
June 6, 2010 at 9:26 pm #10803AnonymousGuestHello everyone,
My name is Marius, i’m the developer of RadioDJ and i must say that this problem is new for me, but for the last two days i made some tests. I think that indeed i unloaded in wrong way the processing FX, but i hope that now everything is ok.
The strange part is that i used an spectrum analyzer to compare RadioDJ with another software that uses the same sound engine and again, with the AGC disabled, in the second program the processing was even more visible than in RadioDJ so i’m a little confused now.
After i revised the code for the processing FX i’ve got these results. In red is the original file and in black is the recorded output from RadioDJ thru the onboard card, so the quality may have suffered, but it was my only option because my main card has processing unit built-in so it would modify the sound.
June 6, 2010 at 11:16 pm #10804JesseGMember[quote author=”radioDJ”]After i revised the code for the processing FX i’ve got these results. In red is the original file and in black is the recorded output from RadioDJ thru the onboard card, so the quality may have suffered, but it was my only option because my main card has processing unit built-in so it would modify the sound.[/quote]
Hi, nice to meet you. 🙂If you install the Breakaway Live demo, it will also install a licensed version of Virtual Audio Cable… virtual soundcards with no processing that are completely digital, so you should be able to get a much more transparent comparison. Then you just set your software to output to one of the cables/pipelines, and record from it with whatever recording software you’re using.
June 7, 2010 at 5:36 am #10805AnonymousGuestThanks JesseG, nice to meet you too 🙂
I made the test again using VAC and now the two waveforms seem almost identical.
Thanks again for the help,
Marius.June 7, 2010 at 2:30 pm #10806michi95Member[quote author=”radioDJ”]the two waveforms seem almost identical.[/quote]Is this the way it should look like, Jesse ?
Maybe I am wrong (?):
The waveforms cannot look 100 % identical due to the principle of kernel streaming (mixing) !?
I remember my own tests approx. two years ago when I have done a comparison between VAC, Total Recorder Kernel-mode virtual device driver (KS) and the (old) User-mode virtual device driver.
Only recordings from User-mode virtual device driver gave me exact (bit true)
copies of the sources (16 Bit, 44,1 kHz WAV).
http://www.totalrecorder.com/tr_drivers.htmVery important:
Obvious most people here (and in other audio related forums) prefer using Cool Edit based audio editors (-> old Cool Edit Pro 2.x or Adobe Audition 1.5, etc.).
You can open with these editors an audio file hundred times (using clones of the same source file) and you will get hundred different waveform drawings !
Very small differences indeed (but there is always some kind of random interpolation).
That’s why I have used Wavelab 5 for quick waveform comparisons, after I had discovered this problem in Audition 1.5.So, I don’t know if this random waveform drawing appears with other audio editors, too. (@ radioDJ what audio editor do you use ?)
➡ clone an audio file and open these with your (Cool Edit based or others) audio editor, then you see the difference.PS: Forget about my PNG advice (if you do not need an exact lossless representation).
Generally it is correct (for schematic window content), but for hi-res waveforms (even with two colours) you can create smaller files with JPEG compression.
If you need an exact pixel by pixel (lossless) file PNG is still the better choice (though the file size is bigger as with JPEG @ 1:5 or 1:10 compression ratio) !@ radioDJ
So, have you done an update build ?
June 7, 2010 at 2:58 pm #10807AnonymousGuest[quote author=”michi95″]
@ radioDJSo, have you done an update build ?[/quote]
Yes he does and he send me the build im my mail. But I’m 400 km far away from Athens and my studio to test it! Friday is the day. But i’m sure he solve the problem!
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