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December 27, 2008 at 2:30 pm #174LeifKeymaster
Merry belated christmas! 🙂
Breakaway Live!
- Breakaway processing for studio, mastering, microphones, monitoring, live use, and any form of digital broadcasting.
- LOW LATENCY – realtime monitoring capable. Below 10ms with ASIO sound card.
- KS/DS/Wave/ASIO support
- CPU efficient usage (roughly one tenth of BBP)
- Multiple stereo processors in one – up to 8 stereo processors licensable
- All BBP presets, and two new microphone processing presets
- DSP effect and encoder plug-in support.
- LiveLink — BBP can receive audio directly from Breakaway Live. (To use, select Live in the input interface selection in BBP.)
http://www.claessonedwards.com/beta/breakaway_live_setup_0.90.64_beta.exe
http://www.claessonedwards.com/beta/breakaway_broadcast_setup_0.90.64_beta.exe
BBP has been updated as well — LiveLink support, and almost all presets improved! Much better surprise-handling. Also vastly improved voice sound with the Amsterdam preset.
Oh, and a new rock preset too!
Breakaway Live will be $129 for one stereo processor, with rebates for multi-licenses.
We will also have a package deal — BBP + Live = $299.
Existing BBP customers will be able to buy their copy Live for $99.I’m going on a sorely needed beach vacation for a week, and I’m leaving the laptop at home this time, but I might check in from an internet cafe to prevent excessive withdrawal syndrome 😉.
Best,
///LeifDecember 27, 2008 at 3:40 pm #6005lpy7Memberoh wow, I picked the perfect time to check the forum. Is it possible to buy right now?
December 28, 2008 at 1:34 am #6006LeifKeymasterLpy, you can if you insist 😉.
http://store.claessonedwards.com/product_p/live-001.htm
This is only the first beta — I guarantee there will be bugs, but upgrades to later versions are of course free.
///Leif
December 28, 2008 at 2:12 am #6007lpy7MemberHaha thanks, just got your email. Yeah just woke up and checked the forum, and bought 🙂
I know it’s only beta, but I’m gonna buy it eventually anyway, and the currency conversion is reasonable atm, so I thought I may as well do it now.
Enjoy your well deserved holiday…a break from the music, and the sound of birds chirping and a waterfall in the background instead maybe hehe.
December 28, 2008 at 5:56 am #6008AdamHMemberWow.
Tested for about an hour this evening. Holy shiz.
The rock preset is awesome! Extremely clean, and it handles the dynamics very respectably. Putting it in phase linear mode, I am just blown away. What is great about it is that it doesn’t have all the additional features on-board that are required for terrestrial broadcasting, so it is truly a plug-and-play processor. Even an idiot could set this thing up (hence my success 😉)
Leif, enjoy yourself. You deserve it.
Adam
December 28, 2008 at 7:10 pm #6009camcloneMemberWow ! excellent work ..again!
I am a very satisfled customer of you Leif,
BUT BUT BUT!!!…..if you want to break the limits at FM broadcast you should now..finaly…add a very usefull thing..MPX clipper !
AAaaaaaaaaaafter stereo, aaaaaaafter RDS….after alll!!!…
…but before the "mpx trift"…for better output accuracy..Please do that as soon as you can.
If you make also this, you ll be …rich!! 🙂p.s. Airomate..is very good at that ..stage!
do the same or ..better?…!thanks anyway
have a nice vacation! …away from ..microwaves..but close to..wavesDecember 28, 2008 at 9:48 pm #6010sneradioMemberJust what I’ve been looking for! A standalone processor with built-in input/output routing. Outstanding!
December 29, 2008 at 6:41 pm #6011AnonymousGuestSimply amazed.
December 29, 2008 at 7:28 pm #6012AnonymousGuestLeif,
Didn’t you say preemphasis is good for webcasting to minimize distortion? Why then does the webcasting focused Breakaway Live not offer it? Am I missing something?
Will we ever get the presets offered in the Live and Broadcast versions included with the Personal version since we can’t make our own? What about the improved surprise handling? I believe it was shown to be a problem in personal as well.
Thanks,
StuartDecember 29, 2008 at 10:02 pm #6013JesseGMemberPersonal version should be getting the new core updates for the next release, and updated presets. As for some of the presets, not sure where Leif still stands on that, but we did talk about it a few times and seemed to agree that some of them are more suited to broadcasting.
Breakaway Personal really is not intended to slam as much as some people want to in a broadcast scenario, and since there’s no control over the actual limiter drive in Personal… it really makes some of the better sounding presets for that sound "worse" to most people because they don’t understand that the human auditory system actually does make things that are louder "sound better".
But also… people are starting to tire of ultra-compressed sound on CDs a lot, and for presets like Zenith 😉 you’ll find that on a growing number of things it seems to even be MORE dynamic than the original.
As for why emphasis isn’t in Live… to do it right with the clipping requires lots of computing power AND somewhat of a delay. Leif is working on bringing the delay down with a few pretty awesome tricks, but the delay is still relatively high compared to Live.
With ASIO and a decent card like RME… Breakaway Live can get down to latencies in the 4-5ms range for total latency. 8) 8)
December 30, 2008 at 7:17 am #6014LeifKeymasterHowdy!
Logging in from a net cafe in a beach town in Thailand.. I just can’t stay away. But, I did leave the laptop at home, very effectively preventing any real work from getting done, giving myself the breather I need after all this. 🙂
Adam H, Camclone, thank you!
Camclone, remember Live is not an FM processor at all. It does not even pretend to be — its output is directly unsuitable for an FM transmitter, due to the lack of both pre-emphasis and inter-sample peak control.
However, for Broadcast, MPX clipper is indeed nice. I have made one already (in fact before BBP) and trust me when I say that it rocks. 160-170% audio in 100% modulation (!!!) as opposed to 92% audio in 100% modulation without it (since the pilot takes 8%) and the same startling lack of distortion as BBP. For comparison, other composite clippers give you about 110% audio in 100% modulation. So, why didn’t I include it in BBP for $199? Let’s see if anyone can guess 🙂.
Anyway, next on the road map are two more advanced broadcast versions, including a full control version. After that, it may be time to release an extreme version with the composite clipper as well. Wouldn’t make much sense to compete with myself before that, though, would it? 🙂
I strongly recommend against using Airomate’s MPX clipper. It has NO semblance of either peak control, bandwidth limiting, pilot or SCA protection. At 100% modulation as indicated by a proper modulation monitor, You will have much better, louder and cleaner results if you use BBP’s built in MPX output, despite the lack of MPX clipping.
On the other hand, using Airomate as the RDS generator, into the RDS input of BBP, is perfectly fine, and will not sacrifice audio quality, spectral protection or loudness, other than having to modulate the audio slightly less, to make room for the RDS subcarrier within +/- 75 kHz (100% mod).
Maczrool, you have a VERY valid question. Here is the answer:
Pre/de-emphasis is extremely important with BBP, because BBP has such extremely tight peak control! If you watch the oscilloscope you will see how tightly packed that waveform is, and a lossy codec will wreak havoc on such a waveform and cause overshoots, which will subsequently be clipped by the safety clipper inside the decoder, causing audible and objectionable distortion.
Breakaway Live, on the other hand, simply does not pack the waveform that tightly. Sure, the absolute peak level is the same, but it’s just not that tight at the edge. This is the fundamental difference between the result of limiting versus clipping, and it irrespective of how hard a limiter is driven.
Because the waveform isn’t that tight, lossy codecs won’t affect it the same way, so overshoots simply do not become a problem.
A/B’ing the two, BBP at 15us pre-emph + de-emph can make a web stream sound 2-3dB louder than Live. In a competitive situation, this is a huge loudness boost. However, the price you pay for that loudness is *more than 10 times the cpu usage*. Some will argue that this is worth it, and some that it isn’t. This is why both products exist, and complement each other 🙂.
Breakaway Personal is indeed not intended to slam the audio, and not intended for broadcasting, so it will not get the radio presets. It WILL however get the improved core with improved surprise handling! Stay tuned. 🙂
I’d better get back to swimming in the ocean and building sandcastles 🙂. A saleswoman walked by with tools earlier today, I just couldn’t resist.
Best,
///LeifDecember 30, 2008 at 8:10 am #6015Dj BuikMemberWhat "tools" you talk about Leif…….. 😯 😀
December 30, 2008 at 5:10 pm #6016AnonymousGuestHi Leif,
Is that your voice in the Live promo cut? It sounds like a ‘European’ accent so I was wondering.
Stuart
December 31, 2008 at 8:48 am #6017JesseGMember(and yea, that’s Leif… which btw is pronounced L?f)
December 31, 2008 at 11:06 am #6018AdamHMemberI think I hear some workparts from the Aircuts library in there, too.
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