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  • #114
    Dj Buik
    Member

    I would like to open a discussion about Soundcards used for BreakAway FM.

    Which card(s) are you using and, more important, how they sound?

    On the Airomate website and support forum they have bad experience with Creative Soundblaster cards.

    Does this also apply for Breakaway FM?

    What card can i use for the best quality FM sound WITH the Airomate RDS function?

    Thanks for the replies!

    Dj Buik

    Netherlands

    #5811
    Leif
    Keymaster

    I’ve used the following sound cards successfully:

    Lynx L22 PCI
    LynxTWO PCI
    Marian Trace 8 PCI
    EMU 0404 USB
    Realtek HD audio on-board
    Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS (PCI)
    Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Notebook (PCMCIA)
    M Audio Delta Audiophile 192 (PCI)
    Edirol FA-101 (Firewire)

    Most of these need output compensation (Tilt / EQ), but once that’s done (using an external oscilloscope), they all perform perfectly.
    I have not seen any problems with the Audigy 2 ZS. I also noticed Airomate said this card does not work very well with Airomate – I’m not sure why. Maybe it’s the audio I/O code in Airomate. Breakaway FM supports kernel streaming, and can thus talk to the sound card driver as directly as possible.

    Any of the cards above will work perfectly.

    To make Airomate work with Breakaway FM, do the following:

    Set Airomate to generate FULL MPX (Pilot and RDS), but do not feed it any audio! Let it be silent. Connect Airomate output to one of the Breakaway Pipelines.

    Then, select this Breakaway Pipeline as the RDS input in Breakaway FM.

    Finally, feed audio to Breakaway FM the way you usually do, and use the MPX output in Breakaway FM.

    Breakaway FM will synchronize to the incoming pilot and RDS, and pass them along to the output.

    Using Airomate -> Breakaway FM -> MPX out, has several advantages over using Breakaway FM L/R -> Airomate -> MPX out.

    • If the incoming pilot goes away (for example if Airomate crashes), Breakaway FM will instantaneously switch to internal pilot — listeners will not even know the difference, except that RDS goes away.
    • Airomate is good at RDS, but not so good at audio. If you keep Breakaway’s audio out of Airomate, your station will be an order of magnitude louder and cleaner.
    • Breakaway FM can compensate for sound card frequency response, to achieve tight calibrated 100% modulation with any sound card.
    • You will see the RDS signal on the Breakaway FM oscilloscope, so you will know it’s there.

    ///Leif

    #5812
    Dj Buik
    Member

    Hi Leif,

    Thanks for the reply!

    I have one additional question.

    If you do not have an external oscilloscoop, how can you adjust all the Breakaway settings
    (and soundcard volume settings), to have the best FM audio quality?

    Most people do not have an oscilloscoop.

    #5813
    Diekgait
    Member

    I use the ESI Juli@ PCI card. It works great with both Breakaway FM and MPXtool, but it does need some tilt correction.
    Maybe it’s a good idea to create a list with soundcards and their optimal settings. I think that would be very usefull for people without a oscilloscope since indeed most people don’t have one.

    Diekgait

    #5814
    Lane
    Member

    i have an m-audio delta 44, and my unscientific evaluation report that it sounds lovely driven by breakway, but I’ve not yet tested it with breakaway fm. I should actually, as I have a small fm transmitter.

    #5815
    Leif
    Keymaster

    Hi Lane!

    M-Audio Delta 44 is not a 192 KHz card, but it will work wonderfully with an external stereo generator.

    Dj Buik, you raise a good question.

    I think we will start giving out free 30-day keys for MpxTool with the purchase of Breakaway FM. That way you’ll be able to use the parallel port squarewave circuit ( http://mpxtool.com/site/input-calibrati … rator.html ) to calibrate first calibrate MpxTool’s input, and then use MpxTool as your oscilloscope for the initial calibration.

    Doing it this way will not be as accurate as a real oscilloscope (as you also need an oscilloscope for 100% mpxtool calibration) but it should be 98%, so it’s a worthwhile tradeoff for those who have no other access to an oscilloscpe.

    Diekgait, it’s a good idea, but sound card manufacturers often change components and specs without prior notice, between different revisions. Thus, it’s very possible that not all sound cards of the same model have the same exact performance. It may be better than nothing though, so let’s start by posting our settings in this thread — once we’ve had a few people using the same sound card posting their settings, we may be able to draw some statistically valid conclusions.

    ///Leif

    #5816
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Hi,

    I would like to firstly say that I think this software works very well, and does actually sound very tidy. I’ve over the years been trying to find various applications for processing audio, I’ve even brought an Optimod PC card , I returned it as I was not entirely satisfied with it.

    I have to say listening on the FM it does sound quite tidy, and even using it on my PC it does too.

    I look forward to it being available to purchase, to stop the advert from playing randomly 😛 But until then I will continue to use it for personal use, which is mainly what I will be using it for. But I can indeed say, that I am impressed with this 🙂

    Josh.

    #5817
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Hi Leif,

    Great job you did with Breakaway FM. It sounds great!
    I’ve always used Volume Logic for testing Airomate. But Breakaway sounds even beter 😀

    About connecting Airomate to Breakaway, there is another solution if you don’t want to use any input device in Airomate. You can select the "RDS only" option and enable the synchronization channel. Set the synchronization frequency to 19000Hz.
    Be aware that if you enable the RDS only option that the RDS level will increase by 10 times. So it will increase from 7% to 70%. You can reduce the RDS level in Airomate but you can also reduce it in Breakaway FM.
    This way of disabling the input device will make Airomate more stable because it doesn’t have to sync the in- and output anymore and it also reduce CPU power because it will only have to generate the RDS signal.

    As Breakaway FM will process the best sound so will Airomate process the best RDS signal 😉

    [quote author=”Leif”]
    I have not seen any problems with the Audigy 2 ZS. I also noticed Airomate said this card does not work very well with Airomate – I’m not sure why. [/quote] Well that’s because the list is outdated. I’ve had many complains about Airomate not working on Audigy 2 ZS. I believe it had something to do with the first drivers for Audigy. Now days I don’t hear anyone complain about it so it is probably solved.

    #5818
    Leif
    Keymaster

    Hi Arjen!

    Great to hear from you.

    My hat is off to you for Airomate — it’s an excellent RDS encoder indeed!

    quote :

    About connecting Airomate to Breakaway, there is another solution if you don’t want to use any input device in Airomate. You can select the “RDS only” option and enable the synchronization channel. Set the synchronization frequency to 19000Hz.

    Does this output RDS and 19000hz Pilot into the same audio channel, or Left=RDS and Pilot=Right?

    Breakaway FM can only read them from one channel (i separate them by internal phase linear filtering).

    I will assume that the 19000Hz pilot becomes phase locked to the RDS, since it’s called synchronization mode 🙂.

    quote :

    As Breakaway FM will process the best sound so will Airomate process the best RDS signal

    We are in complete agreement 😉.

    You CAN actually get Breakaway FM’s excellent sound through Airomate too. To do this, you would turn off ALL clipping and ALL filtering in Airomate – that’s the audio processors job — not the stereo encoders, and any filtering, unless phase linear and out of band, will cause overshoots. Then simply set the L/R output of BreakawayFM at 192000hz, and one of the pipelines. Set this pipeline as the Airomate source .

    The major disadvantages of this approach is that Airomate does not have the adaptive asynchronous sample rate converter that Breakaway FM uses to maintain the buffer between the unsynchronized Input and Output devices, and also that now there are two programs in the audio path instead of one, so if either goes, station is off the air.

    However, it is possible, and I made the 192000 Hz L/R output option for this very purpose. 😉

    Best regards,
    ///Leif

    #5819
    camclone
    Member

    thank u thank u thank u!
    it is the first time that one software FM proccesor works "legal at …57 KHz" and ..fine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    It is the first time someone make a software that has excelent clipping – limiting technology.

    I use hercules fortissimo soundcard without any overshoots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    just perfect!
    I hope some day that you make rds add on…

    you are my money saver!!!!!!!!!
    :mrgreen:

    #5820
    Leif
    Keymaster

    You’re welcome, Camclone!

    Thank you very much for your post 😉.

    I probably will not make an RDS add-on, because Airomate exists, works perfectly with Breakaway FM, and is only $29.95, so it’s not really worth the time — I can’t make a better job creating an RDS signal than Arjen has already done 😉.

    Maybe I should talk to Arjen about making a special Breakaway FM mode though, where the signal could enter Breakaway FM without having to go through sound card drivers. That would be even more stable 😉.

    ///Leif

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