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April 13, 2009 at 6:03 pm #315AppieMember
Hi Leif ,
Today i used BBP calibration tool for tilt correction on a m-audio soundcard .
I connect everything like you described on your homepage and made a cable .
But i try something else to :
I go from my soundcard output with BBP (pc1 ) directly into the calibrationtool wich is installed on my laptop (pc 2)
I use only 1 cable with on both sides mini jacks .
Then i can adjust tilt calibration 60hz
Is this correct ?
I hope you understand what i mean .
Greetings Appie
April 13, 2009 at 7:44 pm #7139LeifKeymasterHi Appie!
Yes, this is fine.
What resistor value did you use for the cable?
///Leif
April 14, 2009 at 2:04 pm #7140AppieMemberHi ,
I use 1 megaohm …
Grt Appie
April 14, 2009 at 3:32 pm #7141LeifKeymasterGood! Should work great.
Best,
///LeifApril 14, 2009 at 6:40 pm #7142AppieMemberYes ! works fine ..
For those who use an M-audio revolution 5.1 soundcard with BBP :
Tilt 4 😀
Grt Appie
April 14, 2009 at 10:01 pm #7143JesseGMemberBut it’s always best to calibrate yourself, just to make sure. Components like capacitors (mostly what’s causing the tilt) in their application can be interchanged pretty easily for a manufacturer, like if they run out of one kind… And not every part reacts exactly the same even with the same supposed specifications.
Still 4 is probably a good place to start testing, if you can’t calibrate it immediately.
April 20, 2009 at 2:17 am #7144feelingMemberHi, some of you had calibrated the Realtek HD Audio ALC888 card. This card comes onboard with a few motherbords. I can’t to run the tests for calibrate it. If someone have the tilt value for this card please share with us here. Thanks in advance.
April 20, 2009 at 4:41 am #7145AppieMember[quote author=”feeling”]Hi, some of you had calibrated the Realtek HD Audio ALC888 card. This card comes onboard with a few motherbords. I can’t to run the tests for calibrate it. If someone have the tilt value for this card please share with us here. Thanks in advance.[/quote]
Hi ,
I know that the Realtek HD needs no calibration .. its completely DC straight and had flat frequency response all the way to 56 khz .
Correct me if i am wrong !
Appie
April 20, 2009 at 6:22 am #7146LeifKeymasterIt depends on the motherboard.
On the very cheapest motherboards, the manufacturer may neglect to even put a coupling capacitor in. Then, you’ll see perfect DC straight performance (although with a significant DC offset) and no roll-off whatsoever.
On more expensive motherboards though, the manufacturer helpfully puts a couple of capacitors in, but perhaps cheaps out and puts a small one in. Hello tilt, hello premature roll-off!
Funny how that works out, isn’t it? You just never know until you measure it for yourself. This is why I recommend to everyone: Buy a freaking oscilloscope!
A used oscilloscope is NOT expensive — you can find one on eBay for half the price of BBP. Compared to even the cheapest hardware processor, even counting a dedicated computer, a used oscilloscope, etc — you’re still saving a LOT of money, and getting the best possible performance.
Best,
///LeifApril 20, 2009 at 7:59 pm #7147AnonymousGuesthow can i correct the tilt with components? capicitors for negative correction? and how do i coorect positive tilt?
April 21, 2009 at 5:29 am #7148LeifKeymasterHi Thagurt!
Positive Tilt (outwards tilt) basically never occurs, but if it does, you would correct it with a capacitor *in series*.
Negative Tilt can be corrected by adding large capacitors in parallel with the existing ones. To find which capacitor is causing the tilt, you will need to probe the circuit with an oscilloscope while running, to see where the tilt happens.This is tricky when using on-board sound (since you must then probe a powered-on motherboard without crashing the computer) but it’s possible — I’ve done it.
Disclaimer: PROCEED AT YOUR OWN RISK. It is absolutely possible to fry your motherboard if you make a mistake! You have been warned.
You’ll need to take the computer completely apart and assemble it on the bench, using the minimum parts possible. You’ll need to be able to access the underside of the board (or sound card) while probing with an oscilloscope, and if using any pci cards they must be kept steady throughout the whole ordeal or the computer will just freeze. This can be accomplished with a rubber band, to lock the card leaning to one side.
Then:
Launch BBP and set it to output squarewave, and start by probing the output, making sure you see the tilt.
Look for electrolytic capacitors near the output. Probe both legs (while keeping the oscilloscope probe ground connected to the computer ground). If you find a capacitor where one pin shows more tilt than the other, then you have found a culprit. Add a much larger value capacitor in parallel with it, taking care to match the polarity. DO NOT remove the old one! It works even better with two in parallel, for noise filtering purposes.
After adding a capacitor, check the output again. If it’s flat enough, you’re done. Otherwise, look for more capacitors.This is how I modified by M Audio Delta AP192 for near perfect squarewave performance.
Good luck!
Best regards,
///Leif -
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