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Hi all !
first of all…well done to the authors of Breakaway FM and New York preset ( Leif and the other great audio engineers)
Do u think that an 7 or 8 bands preset would be a good idea for the next generation of New York preset?
Is this possible on the next version of Breakaway FM ?p.s.
I ve finnaly made it work clean and clear and …louder than ever!
full bassy with excellent mid and highs.
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http://1045fm.live24.gr/1045fmHi Camclone!
The Breakaway Core supports 4, 5, 6 and 7 bands. I started making Reference Settings for 7 bands, but found a song where it faltered (too strong band separation made it sound strange), so I switched to 6 bands at that point, which is why most settings are 6 bands. 7 is workable for some formats, but already on the edge — 8 would be too much.
Clean, clear and louder than ever? Congratulations, you’ve done the impossible! Good for you.
///Leif
thanks for answering Leif,
Maiby if you think again the ..band frequency distanses…
let’s say band 1 ( 30 to 45..) band 2…(45 to 55…) bla bla…give the first 3 bands for ..bass proccesing ..wow ! a dream!!
The first 2 bands are for bass processing (unlike most processors where only 1 band is for bass). This way, Breakaway keeps thick bass lines safely separate from voices, avoiding spectral gain intermodulation. Adding a third would not really serve any purpose — bass is played one note at a time. There is no such thing as a bass chord — the spectrum analyzer in our brains cannot coherently resolve more than one bass note played at the same time. Thus, adding one more band would only cause disadvantages, like bringing up rumble while pushing down the actual bass notes.
I believe 6 bands is the sweet spot for audio processing. 7 bands has some advantages but also some serious disadvantages.
///Leif
quote :Well then doing the math…what does 31 bands offer?Marketing gimicks and advertizing one upmanship… total BS. 🙄
Remember it was done because they can not because it was needed.Actually, it doesn’t offer nothing. What it offers is hugely unpredictable peak control, and giving the compressor too much control over the spectrum to be able to sound acceptable.
The more bands you have, the more unpredictable the peak output becomes, and as such you need further limiting afterwards with fewer controls.
It’s easy to imagine. Consider that music normally covers all bands, so the thresholds of those bands must be adjusted so that the peak sum is roughly 0dB. The thresholds must be set pretty very low. Then, consider a sinewave, which sits mostly in a single band. It’s going to have *very* low peak output, since there’s only a single band active.
Besides, if they want to play the number-of-bands game, I’ve got them beat anyway. The ITU-R SM.1268-1 limiter in BBP is a 256 band limiter. Its purpose is not to control peaks, but to control the spectrum as transparently as possible. As such, it works! You can see the evidence of this clearly by looking at the MPX output of BBP with a spectrum analyzer, with the ITU limiter on versus off. You’ll see that with the ITU limiter active, the stereo subcarrier has a very flat top — almost like the textbook examples of the FM stereo system (drawing the subcarrier as a block).
///Leif
Leif..
This topic was very good for gooOOOoOOoogle archiving 🙂
Very interesting information for one more time :!p.s.
The Zenith preset and Jill fm does excellent job anyway.
But we need more mid frequencies :!
better voice proccecing. better colouring of voices.New York and Plutonium presets has done this greatly!
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