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Although this doesn’t translate directly to Breakaway comparisons of CPUs, it’s a good on-average indication of how fast CPUs are vs each other.
As you probably already know, the # of cores, and the speed, doesn’t really translate into how much computing power a CPU actually has, since the ARCHITECTURE of the technology itself is constantly improving.
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Try uninstalling Breakaway again, then go into your "Device Manager", under the "Sound [..]" category, and Uninstall the "Breakaway Pipeline" device. Restart the computer, reinstall Breakaway, restart again just for kicks, and then see if it works again after you have the config setup how it should be.
@ clock speed changes…
the first place i would be looking is at driver DPC latency spiking when it happens. for badly coded drivers. the bus speeds don’t change with the CPU or GPU clocking, and the functions which software can use to get timing information from Windows shouldn’t get drastically altered by the CPU clock at all.
that being said, Breakaway’s audio timing accuracy for *adapting* to the I/O rates, vs the system timings, is above 1mHz (the actual adaptation is even more accurate). so if you don’t have DPC spikes coming from a driver that are causing the buffer size/count to fail (because of Breakaway not being able to access a soundcard driver, and/or a soundcard driver not being able to access the soundcard) then any potential clock jitter being caused by the CPU changing speeds shouldn’t be anywhere near audible, and should measure incredibly well even to high-end DACs that are re-clocking the input source and also NOT doing ASRC (my Apogee Mini-DAC is one of very few that come to mind).
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in real-world applications of course… sometimes the power settings for clocking might be able to prevent the problem from happening because of a device driver. the thing that sucks about this is that you’re not taking advantage of the power savings (not that huge a deal until you’re 100s of units deep in rack-mounted computers, been there done that)… which increase the lifetime of the power supply and power-regulation-related parts on the motherboard.
as for the ability to switch fast enough to keep up with demands, trying to argue that it’s a problem for audio applications is a difficult one. you’re comparing buffer speeds as high as 500 Hz (almost always lower), to clock speeds of 3,000,000,000+ Hz. the switching mechanisms are done in hardware, not software, and they adapt soooo much faster than 1 cycle @ 500 Hz that it’s not worth going on about. 😉
there is definitely a few cases with specific hardware and drivers than are coded so wrong for their timing that they can be effected by the CPU clock itself though, spiking the DPC latency, and that’s really the sad part. don’t buy hardware that uses drivers like that. 😉 (such as nVidia’s GeForce 3xx M series, holy cluster-f* that can’t be fixed no matter what power or clock settings you use or disable)
Last I’ve heard… all of the Breakaway products will continue. I’ve never heard even a hint of anything otherwise. There might be some options to unlock upgrades. There will be new products, like Breakaway Home Theater. Undo should be available some way or another in everything, I’m not sure which products (if any) might have it included in the current pricing, and which will only be available as an unlockable upgrade… namely Breakaway Audio Enhancer, which is simply priced too low to put Undo in it by default, since the declipper is licensed, for starters. The rest of what it’s doing is also a HUGE new feature, so… it totally warrants a small price to unlock it.
I have a lot of friends in the hi-fi industry, and trust me… just a unit that does Undo, and nothing else, with a killer analog converter built in, would sell like HOT CAKES, for $10,000 a pop.
Breakaway DJ will have the best chance at seeing the most changes happen from being re-thought, and all good. Such as supporting TCV with some decent routing options so that it’ll support the current (and imho crappy) proprietary TCV hardware, but allow more advanced fun stuff if you’re using a pro setup with more IO like an RME and a more… open DVS software. (nudge wink)
Expect continuing of Breakaway’s motif of mostly unadjustable (and hard to make sound bad) products at bat-shit mental retardedly low pricing. (for instance, BAE is 0.002 times the price of a fully loaded Omnia.9, and obviously can’t be compared without people laughing at you, mostly Omnia.9 owners)
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Most of this info has already been posted by Leif or myself, some of it in the status update topic, so it’s only fair i very briefly reiterate a little bit of it. 🙂 I decided to lock this topic, and Leif can update it or unlock it if he ever wants to.
Check out this topic of possible interest:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2404Omnia.9 has:
wideband agc
compressor 1 (always wideband mode)
compressor 2 (before multiband wideband mode)
[2-7 band multiband compressor & limiter]
compressor 2 (after multiband wideband & the two bass modes)
compressor 3 (wideband & the two bass modes)Compressor 2 can only be used before or after the multiband, obviously, and you cannot use the bass modes before the multiband (would be ~pointless). All of the compressors besides the multiband have adjustable sidechains for shaping the input to the control signal. 🙂
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the currently public versions of Breakaway have:
wideband agc
compressor 1
compressor 2 (before multiband mode)
[4-7 band multiband compressor & limiter]
compressor 2 (after multiband mode)None of the dynamics have an adjustable sidechain even with full control in the currently public Breakaways.
2012 will hopefully see Breakaway Home Theater come out, with Undo and UPMAX. Both two huge things to be excited about, and make you want a 5.1 setup if you don’t already have one. I keep forgetting to remind Leif that he needs to create and we need to test other output configurations too, like 4.0/4.1. Haven’t talked to him in about a week.
You can see if the settings for Breakaway were changed, namely the buffer size & count, and which method it accesses the soundcards (Wave/DS/KS).
Not sure what could be removed with HijackThis that would effect the soundcard functionality, expect for maybe a soundcard software like one of those mixer/control-panel things. But even then, if that were actually effecting the playback, that would be a very bad design by the manufacturer of the audio card.
Did you use any "Registry Cleaner" apps per chance?
Milky, who is also an admin, already said I deleted it. The thread’s last 9 months were repetitive and of a deconstructive nature. The only legit reason people were offering for wanting an update is to see a higher version number in the about window. To my knowledge Leif hasn’t announced any "for sure" additional features in Breakaway yet (although you can almost bet on there being Undo available in all of them, at least as an upgrade). So I deleted it.
How about some more constructive energy in the future? Someone/s could easily start a topic/s about features they would like to be able to upgrade to in the future (now that Breakaway, through Leif’s new framework, supports the ability to have unlocking of features with codes you could buy). Even one good upgrade suggestion could be worth 1,000 "Status Update" topics, to everyone here, and especially to Leif (vs repeatedly insulting him).
[quote author=”chaos”]It would be perfect if the reactivity of low frequencies (<100 Hz) were as fast as the rest of the spectrum. Why are they not as fast?.[/quote]
… Because lower frequencies are longer waveforms which require more time to analyze as required to build an RTA that is accurate, unlike many RTAs out there (no need to name names) which sacrifice speed for accuracy. BreakawayRTA also uses an idea that makes the bass response much faster than normally possible (using the techniques most RTAs use) at this accuracy. So the bass response is quite fast considering.Breakaway’s bass speed isn’t completely without sacrifice for speed though. The inaccuracies in the upper sideband is about 60dB down at 20Hz. 🙂 For complex waveforms, like music, this is completely acceptable for accurate measurement since the distortion is way closer to where 16bit PCM starts to distort 8) , than what would be visible in the measurements.
You can build a 1U rack mounted server to run Breakaway in it, that just sits there and works, without the need to have a screen, keyboard, mouse, etc hooked up to it. For a lot cheaper than buying an Omnia.9. You wouldn’t need anything more than one of those single core Atom ones where the CPU is basically "hard-wired" to the motherboard, which are usually very cheap. And then spend a bit of the savings on getting a decent soundcard for it.
That being said, you could just get an Omnia.9 if you have a large budget.
http://omniaaudio.com/9Final thought: I’ll note that the SRS box is undoubtedly some kind of computer. It’s not analog, so it’s digital, and therefore runs software, on some kind of CPU, which needs an OS to support operation of the device. That’s a computer. 8) So I guess it just depends on what way you want to think of something, from a marketing standpoint where it’s just "a box", or from a technical standpoint… where it’s what it really is. I bet you can get a lot more transparent sounding ADC/DAC in a soundcard you select, than whatever random cheap crap they put into the SRS box. (assuming it’s cheap)
you can always try the free demo, and see if it works.
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=942Don’t hold your breath for it in the $30 version. There has to be at least *some* incentive to upgrade, not to mention Breakaway Live has some nice speaker controller features that would work in unison with ARC, or any technology similar to Audyssey’s MultEQ. Also ARC is nearly 4 times the price of Breakaway Live, and in Breakaway Live you also get the ability to have linear-phase processing. All in all Breakaway Audio Enhancer isn’t as quality of a solution, which is what you would be striving for by adding ARC into the picture, so it sort of wouldn’t even make sense to have it in BAE. (plus adding more options for "newb" consumers is usually a fail, like adding FM mode was something Leif teetered on the fence about for a while, since if you’re not running the output into a crappy exciter, and calibrating it specifically for that, it’ll make what you’re hearing worse than normal)
That’s only a two channel device, and far as I know it also doesn’t support multi-client access on ASIO interface.
So you’ll have to route the soundcard output of the automation, into an outboard mixer which is where your microphone is also being pre-amplified and mixed with the automation output, and then run that into the input on your UCA202. Then Breakaway Live in ASIO mode working on the input and outputs of that, and the outputs of the UCA202 should be everything all-together processed, and if you’re able to tweak the buffer settings low enough on your system, you shouldn’t be able to hear any latency.
p.s. don’t forget to also set "low latency" mode in Breakaway Live, instead of "phase linear".
[quote author=”vanillaradio”]i need a second pc ot laptop ? or i can do it with the soundcard from the pc running the traktor ?[/quote]
you shouldn’t need another computer to do it. you might need more I/O to do it, if your souhndcard/converter doesn’t have enough to do what all you want to do though. you’ll need at least 1 more stereo input, if you’re using an external mixer. you’ll need at least 1 more stereo output, if you need to do anything besides streaming, or just want to hear the output.
