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Hi Scott,
[quote author=”ScottyJames”]I have StereoTool 3.40 but I didn’t know it was a DSP. I thought it was just a stand alone.[/quote]
You can download a winamp plug-in as well here:
http://www.stereotool.com/download/
Stick it in the chain after the Attenuator, it doesn’t really matter where.Just make sure you test it as a "Stereo Effect" Preset only – otherwise you will be "DOUBLE PROCESSING" and that’s not good! 😉
I’m testing it under the "Increased Stereo" Preset for the last day or so…[quote author=”ScottyJames”]Also, can you put Spartacus directly into BBP or Live?[/quote]
Yes you can! 🙂
Download this VST Winamp Bridge here:
http://www.winamp.com/plugins/details/146317
Stick it in the chain after the Attenuator, again it doesn’t really matter where.
You can then load Spartacus from the VST Winamp Bridge.
And your good to go! 😉[quote author=”ScottyJames”]Someone tells me it might be the old VST standard. I’d liked to have heard it.[/quote]
Not sure if it’s the old VST standard or the new VST standard, but it works with Breakaway Live / Breakaway Broadcast Processor! 😉
[quote author=”ScottyJames”]Are you running from your playout system to Winamp then to BBP (Live)?[/quote]
No, I run Jazler Radio Simplepack’s main output directly to Breakaway Live / Breakaway Broadcast Processor using Breakaway Pipeline 1.
As Leif explained before, even though the Effect Plug-ins in Breakaway Live / Breakaway Broadcast Processor appear in the software itself, they are actually chained one after the other before the clip detector, which is before the input of the processor!
So my current chain:
6dB Attenuator
StereoTool 3.40 ("Increased Stereo" Preset)
Impact/Clunk (Clunk 1 Slam 2)
Bass-EFX (Level 2)
Breakaway Live / Breakaway Broadcast ProcessorWould actually look like this chained as individual hardware units:
Jazler Radio Simplepack > 6dB Attenuator > Stereo Tool 3.40 ("Increased Stereo" Preset) > Impact/Clunk (Clunk 1 Slam 2) > Bass-EFX (Level 2) > Clip Detector > Breakaway Input etc etc…
Remember I’m just testing StereoTool 3.40 as a Stereo Enhancer / Expander.
To me Breakaway Live / Breakaway Broadcast Processor sound miles better than a 10 band processor like StereoTool 3.40! 😀Best regards,
Conor HylandHi Leif,
[quote author=”Leif”]Perhaps I should modify the clip detector to make it detect clipping both before and after the plug-in chain.[/quote]
What a great idea!
Even better would be to introduce a 2 or 3 color clip detector! 💡
One color (say blue) to detect clipping before the plug-in chain.
Red to detect clipping after the plug-in chain.
Maybe even a third color (say purple) if clipping is occurring both before and after…This will make it easier to determine where the clipping is occurring in the chain! 🙂
Best regards,
Conor HylandHi Scott,
[quote author=”ScottyJames”]I see how you use more attenuation based on the added DSPs but I wasn’t sure where the overloading was being introduced.[/quote]
The overloading was being introduced before the AGC. 🙂
I misread what Sgeirk was saying above – silly me!
I see now what he was saying: 🙂[attachment=0:gejxfdey]Master Volume.JPG[/attachment:gejxfdey]
Best regards,
Conor HylandHi Leif,
[quote author=”Leif”]Actually turning the pipeline volume control wouldn’t help — you could still be clipping the input of the pipeline, and then simply hiding the problem by attenuating afterwards. The meters would stop flashing, but the distortion would still be there!
The very best solution is to lower the gain before any clipping.
Using a player on the computer, feeding a pipeline, this translates to decreasing the MP3 encoders gain![/quote]
That is a valid point above.
I always wondered about that.I use .wav files normalised to 95%.
The Radio Automation software I use is Jazler Simplepack.
Jazler Simplepack’s main output to Breakaway Pipeline 1.When adding files to the database, it analyses the queue point at which a song should start.
I have it set to queue the start of a song when the song level rises to or above -26dB.It also analyses the fade out of a track/queue point at which the next track should start.
I have this set to -17dB.
It does this by starting at the end of the track and searching backwards until the level rises to or above -17dB.So lets say the first song is playing and it fades out to -17dB, it starts the next track.
If the second track starts with a beat, the sum of the 2 songs could clip the input of Breakaway Pipeline 1.I assumed that if I use the clip detector on Breakaway’s input without an attenuator or any of the plugins to check for input overload and if the meters didn’t flash red on song changes like the one above, then no clipping was occurring at Breakaway Pipeline 1 input.
Is that a safe asumption? ❓Jazler Radiostar One has an option to reduce the gain on it’s main output, but unfortunately Jazler Simplepack doesn’t… 🙁
Thanks Leif, 🙂
Best regards,
Conor HylandHi Scott,
[quote author=”ScottyJames”]I already have an attenuator in the DSP chain. I don’t have any input overload causing the meters to flash until I use that setting with those plugins. Because it uses the bass efx and the impact/clunk plugins do I need to attenuate further?[/quote]
My audio files in the database are .wav files normalised to 95%.
I use the following plugins in this order:1 – 5dB Attenuator
2 – Impact/Clunk (Clunk 1 Slam 2)
3 – Bass-EFX (Level 2)This seems to be enough attenuation for Impact/Clunk and Bass-EFX following behind it.
Now if I were to stick in a Stereo Enhancer Plugin (Spartacus for example) to the chain:1 – 6dB Attenuator
2 – Spartacus (Stereo Enhancer)
3 – Impact/Clunk (Clunk 1 Slam 2)
4 – Bass-EFX (Level 2)Notice how I attenuate further (6dB Attenuator) so as not to overload the input.
As Sgeirk and Leif said above, an even better option is to enable the volume control of Breakaway Pipeline 1 (in the control panel) and turn it down a bit so as not to overload the input until the meters stop flashing red.
The AGC will make up for your slight loss in input volume. 8)
You can then turn up range slightly from say 50 to 60 if you like… 🙂Hope this helps,
Best regards,
Conor Hyland
