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Yeah i tried WINE with both Live & BBP. They install fine (except for the Pipeline driver) but the program itself doesn’t run. WINE dumps either (depends on the Windows version configured in winecfg) a load of "fixme" errors about dlls (tried to resolve them with native dlls, no luck) and then just stops or it complains about "Unhandled page fault on write access to 0x0a6836f1 at address 0x1229a11".
In the past i have tried to run Winamp + OctiMax on WINE. That worked but had serious issues with performance; it stuttered as hell. It seemed like WINE doesn’t handle priority stuff correctly or something. So i’m affraid that even if i could get BreakAway to run under WINE it probably won’t be really usable..
What does work fine is BBP inside Windows XP in VMware, as long as you use buffer size "Huge", "Optimize CPU usage" and "Wave" streaming (otherwise the audio skips every now and then). Haven’t been able to find a way to route realtime audio from the host Linux OS to the Windows VM though, so i first encode stuff to FLAC on linux, play that stream on windows (mplayer), route that through BBP and encode it to MP3. This adds a lot of latency but it works quite stable. I could probably resolve the latency issue by moving to hardware with Windows with the streaming stuff in a Linux VM, but that (dedicated Windows hosting instead of Linux) would be a lot more expensive for me than the current solution 😉
[quote author=”AdamH”]
Just wanted to clarify this…they run Shoutcast on Linux servers in datacenters. The actual source stream originates from a Windows machine at the studio, most likely. The processing takes place client-side (at the radio station, in this case), not server-side.
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Well i can obviously only speak for my own stream which completely runs on one machine (in a datacenter) but i think it’s rather pointless to have a "client" machine outside a datacenter for an "all web" radio station (you know, the type of stations which are in fact MP3 jukeboxes). If you’re talking about "real" radio stations with studios and live shows you’re probably right.quote :And honestly, if you’re so bent on running Linux, route the audio out to a Windows machine where Live resides, and then route the processed audio back into your Linux box. A wise IT manager once told me “If you try to fight Windows, you’ll always lose.” Windows always wins. Which explains why 90% of the programs available on the market today were first written for Windows.
AdamI was just trying to point out that i would love to have a Linux version of Breakaway (BBP and BAE) and i would be prepared to pay for it.
I know there are workarounds but i’d rather have a native Linux version. Yes, i know that’s stupid. Sorry 😉
OK I understand, Leif. So this means there probably won’t be a Linux version anytime soon. Well, at least we know that now 😉 What about OS X? Is it the same story as for Linux or are there OS X programmers inside your green or pink circle? 😉
Let’s not turn this thread into a classic OS flame war 😉 All i’m saying is that i would love to have a Linux version and i think there might be others who would too. Yes i could switch to Windows or use dedicated hardware (actually i’m currently using Windows XP with BBP inside VMWare for my web stream, only for the sound processing) but i would prefer not to. It’s a shame Leif doesn’t have more time and that he can’t (or doesn’t want to?) delegate the work to someone else. Personally i’d rather see someone else do the job in more time and perhaps less "perfect" than if Leif would do it himself than nobody doing the job at all. But it’s of course Leif’s decision to make 🙂
I realized that. The point i was trying to make is that it might be a good idea to let someone else "port" or rewrite your software for Linux, Mac or whatever OS while you can focus on th Windows product.
I know that Windows is still the most popular desktop OS at the moment but as we all know a lot of people, especially in the music/radio/entertainment/etc business, use Mac desktops and a lot of online radio stations run on Linux (or other Unix variants) servers.
Also think about the possibilities once you have *nix versions of your product with platforms like Google’s Chrome OS, Android, iPod/iPhone, and all kinds of devices (navigators, media players, phones, etc.) with embedded Linux or BSD variants.
[quote author=”Leif”]Awesome, Oele!
What pre-emphasis setting are you using? For streaming I recommend 15 or 25us.
Feel free to post the URL to your stream 🙂.
///Leif[/quote]
Pre-emphasis is currently on 15us.The stream URL is http://muziek.oele.net:8000/muziek . This is just a "hobby" stream for me and a few friends. Don’t be surprised if you hear weird combinations of musical styles or weird music in general 😉
Breakaway is now on the "plutonium" preset. Although i’m impressed by the loudness i will probably change it to a more "sensible" preset one of these days 😉
Breakaway runs inside a VirtualBox Windows XP Virtual Machine on the linux server that hosts the stream.
On linux: mplayer & perl scripts play mp3 and flac files -> jackd -> oddcastv3 -> icecast (flac)
On XP: mplayer plays the flac stream -> breakaway fm -> simplecast -> icecast (mp3)(Yes, this is one of the reasons why i’d love to have a linux version of breakaway 😉 Maybe i should try to move the other stuff to Windows too. )
Leif,
You have once again created a masterpiece.
I love the plutionium preset; it makes my web stream louder than any other, and it still sounds good.
Any idea when you will release the "official" version? I’d love to get rid of those trial commercials 😉
– Oele
Hi Leif,
Thanks for your answer. I’m affraid you’re right about the relatively small amount of linux users, compared to windows. But what about the streaming/broadcasting market? There are quite a few online radio stations that run on linux, bsd or other unix-like-OS’ses. I guess you could also charge them a lot more than the average Windows desktop user.
Also, i think that once you have a linux or bsd compatible version you make (and sell!) relatively cheap hardware processing appliances.
About the incompatibilities – yes, there are differences between distributions but afaik there are quite a few companies that distribute linux binaries of their software and they do not have a separate binary for each distribution. I guess it’s possible to create something that works on at least most distributions. But indeed, it is an issue.
Another approach that would probably cost a lot less of your precious time could be to make a stand-alone (audio device to audio device type of thing, like streamsolo) windows version of breakaway that works in WINE without complaining about missing Pipeline drivers (like breakaway) or about network drivers (?) and/or copy protection (like StreamSolo). Just something that takes input from sound device X and outputs the processed audio to device Y. That way linux users could start the program in WINE and use JACK ("virtual audio cables" on linux) to put audio through it.
One other question: why is it that you are releasing a "Windows System" version but not a "Mac System" version?
– Oele
