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January 13, 2010 at 10:04 pm #9544JesseGMember
I still vote no for it. It’s a potentially dangerous "feature" because there are people uneducated enough to use it when it really does make the sound worse.
Think of it this way. If you’re not experienced enough to figure out how to do this with your cabling, or on your mixer/s, then you have no business making the decision in the first place. 😉
January 13, 2010 at 10:25 pm #9545Lee XSMemberI just want to confirm I’m not in favour of it either, I may of not been clear towards the end of my post.
I’m actually trying to think of a usefull reason to have Mono and I can’t! 😕
January 13, 2010 at 11:33 pm #9546AnonymousGuest[quote author=”JesseG”]I still vote no for it. It’s a potentially dangerous "feature" because there are people uneducated enough to use it when it really does make the sound worse.
Think of it this way. If you’re not experienced enough to figure out how to do this with your cabling, or on your mixer/s, then you have no business making the decision in the first place. 😉[/quote]
I don’t undertand why "It’s a potentially dangerous feature", and its obvious, there are many others ways to do this, before and after Breakaway. But as this feature is in breakaway live, I think it can be implemented in Dj too.
I’m using Breakaway Live to djing a year, and never see any catastrophe when playing in mono.
It’s up to Leif, and I don’t intend to make a poll.
The only reason that I get a Breakaway DJ license is the new presets, more suitables to large speakers.
Leif, feel free to not implement it if you don’t want to do. I can get it at OtsAv output level. The only restriction is that I can’t use asio drivers. To do this, I need use WDM audio drivers.
Thanks!
January 14, 2010 at 3:24 am #9547LeifKeymasterCompared to the many other potential ways of screwing up the audio (such as turning speed up to 100, or setting a crazy eq curve), mono is pretty safe. Stereo/mono switch is such an easily understandable feature that I don’t believe anyone would turn it on without really needing it.
There’s also a good reason for doing it in Breakaway DJ as opposed to in the mixer. If you have wide stereo content, run it through a stereo processor, and then mix to mono afterwards, you lose a lot of the energy by nulling out the L-R, thus creating loudness inconsistencies. This also happens when listening to Stereo FM stations in Mono. Mixing to Mono before the processor avoids this issue, and maintains consistency.
///Leif
January 14, 2010 at 4:25 am #9548powerjamMember[quote author=”Leif”]Wow! So, the split process architecture really does work. I guess I’ll be making it the default in Breakaway DJ then, just like in the other Breakaway products.
Very good news for me. 🙂
///Leif[/quote]
Leif, I found basically the same results when just refreshing my audio files, the audio priority switch ditched the glitch 😀
Conversely, I found that BDJ TOTALLY CRASHED to a MS send error report when I used ASIO with high buffer sizes 1024 samples with 8 buffers while refreshing a 45,000 song library while two beatmixed videos were transitioning. I got glitches and skipping and then BDJ crashed. With the realtime audio priority on it was somehow able to handle this torture test without crashing or skipping and I was able to lower the buffer & sample sizes! The crazy thing is my jitter was hitting 2200% during this test at times and there was still no skipping in the sound. 😯
January 14, 2010 at 4:37 am #9549LeifKeymasterGlad it helped 🙂.
Also sounds like I need to do some debugging in low-cpu conditions — crashing is definitely an error.
///Leif
January 14, 2010 at 1:12 pm #9550AnonymousGuest[quote author=”Leif”]Glad it helped 🙂.
Also sounds like I need to do some debugging in low-cpu conditions — crashing is definitely an error.
///Leif[/quote]
And this is one of the very reasons I bought your product. You are awesome at fixing things and making it happen thanks so much.
January 15, 2010 at 1:20 am #9551AnonymousGuestSigh!! I just don’t know whats up. Now I started up BDJ and its sounds bad like it did the other day and I have all my buffers maxed and real time priority. I thought my system was able to handle stuff better than this. I guess until I get this program working right on my system. I can’t use it live. I really don’t even know if its not because of my mixer and its drivers or not. I just know its not working right. I will post the specs of my system maybe someone can see where I’m having my issues.
I have also included a RAR copy of there drivers of my mixer. I don’t even know if you care.[attachment=0:16dq98o0]DJM-5000_1.102.rar[/attachment:16dq98o0]
Here is my machine maybe someone can see the weak spot that might be causing my problems. Would it be worth me downgrading to xp or upgrading to windows 7. This is my main gig machine and to me its my money maker. I have no problem throwing money at it as long as it is not wasted.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6834220344My Mixer
PIONEER DJM-5000
Regular Price $1999.99
Our Price $999.99Mastering Different Zones
The DJM-5000 features two flexible output modes: multi-zone and standard. In multi-zone mode, the mixer’s outputs can be dedicated to multiple audio sources and distributed to two different areas or rooms. For example, this groundbreaking feature allows DJs to transmit music from a separate source such as an MP3 player to a lounge or cocktail room while simultaneously outputting high energy music from digital turntables to a main dance floor. Similarly, broadcasts from a microphone also can be selected to transmit separately to two different zones, allowing MC performances or announcements to be tailored to the appropriate areas. In standard mode, all four audio outputs are directed to one area such as a main dance floor.Mic Check One-Two
The DJM-5000 incorporates another industry first, an exclusive feature called Advanced Talk Over*, which attenuates the frequencies in the mid-range / vocal area of music being played while the microphone is in use. The Advanced Talk Over feature is designed to distinguish announcements made by the DJ and/or MC without lowering the entire volume output, which can often affect the energy of the event. The output of the feature can be adjusted accordingly in two levels through a dedicated control knob on the front panel. The DJM-5000 also includes three microphone inputs, two of which are independent balanced inputs for performances from an MC and/or vocalist. Each microphone channel has a dedicated volume control as well as a 3-band equalizer for increased tonal quality and control. In addition, the microphone section of the mixer is outfitted with four different effects: reverb, echo plus verb, octaver and pitch to further enhance vocal performance* High Quality Audio
Much like the DJM-1000 and the industry standard DJM-800, Pioneer also enhanced the output of the DJM-5000 by utilizing a 96kHz/24-bit analog to digital converter as well as a 32-bit digital signal processor (DSP) in the mixing process to ensure the highest audio quality output. In order to virtually eliminate interference generated by other products or power cords, the DJM-5000 employs a shorter signal path designed to reduce the effects of inherent noise, a high performance power supply to stabilize voltage, and shielded dual RCA inputs. Furthermore, for entertainers using compressed audio files, the DJM-5000 has been equipped with a built-in audio processor called Sound Maximizer to enhance low and high frequency ranges. The “Dynamics” function boosts sounds in the lower frequency range up to eight decibels for added bass response, which is particularly helpful when the music source is lacking low-end punch. The “Clarity” function adjusts the gain of the mid-high frequency range by up to an additional four decibels for a brighter and clearer overall sound. The clarity adjustment improves the sense of separation and distinction by emphasizing the mid-high range sounds, even at lower volume levels.
Enhanced Control and Connectivity
The DJM-5000 is equipped with a six-channel (three stereo pairs) USB Audio Interface. The connection allows direct plug-in from a laptop computer** to the mixer over the USB connection without using an additional external sound card. The mixer is fully functional as a flexible MIDI controller. Sixty-one of the DJM-5000’s seventy-three buttons, knobs and sliders are assignable to transmit control data via MIDI signal to a laptop’s USB port while running any MIDI-compatible DJ software.
Additional Functions:
o Digital Input – Two digital inputs allow the user to connect digital sources with digital outputs for the best possible signal quality without deterioration of the content.
o Peak Level Meter – Each channel features a multi-colored, 10-segment / per channel LED meter to quickly view audio levels at a glance
o 3-Band EQ – Equipped with a 3-band (High, Mid, Low) equalizer on each channel, the sound can be adjusted from –26dB to +6dB
o Cross Fader Assign – Users can easily assign channel output via the cross fader for increased flexibility
o Cross Fader Curve Adjust – Allows the curve of the cross fader to be adjusted to any of three patterns
o Fader Start Play – The mixer can automatically start/cue a connected device such as Pioneer’s CDJ or MEP players by simply sliding the cross fader or channel fader
o Rack Mount size – The mixer is a 5U by 19 inches wide rack mount size allowing for a variety of rack mount installation applications, ideal for clubs and studiosCompatible with Windows and Mac. Three stereo outputs can be assigned under Windows only when used with ASIO compliant software.
SPECIFICATIONS
o Number of Channels: 4
o Input Terminals: CD / LINE x 6 (RCA), DIGITAL IN x 2 (RCA), MIC x 3 (Top Panel XLR / ¼-inch combo x 1, XLR x 1, ¼-inch x 1)
o Output Terminals: MASTER OUT x 2 (XLR x 1, RCA x 1), ZONE OUT x 1 (XLR), BOOTH OUT x 1 (¼-inch), HEADPHONE MONITOR OUT x 1 (Top Panel ¼-inch), REC OUT x 1 (RCA)
o Other Terminals: SEND x 1 (¼-inch), RETURN x 1 (¼-inch), CONTROL OUT x 2 (3.5mm mini-jack), USB-B Port x 1
o Sampling Rate: 96kHz
o A/D, D/A Converter: 24bit
o Frequency Response: 20Hz to 20kHz
o Total Harmonic Distortion: 0.005% or less
o Signal-to-Noise Ratio: 102 dB (LINE)
o Headroom: 19dB
o Voltage: 120V / 60 Hz
o Power Consumption: 29 W
o Dimensions: 19in (W) x 8.86in (D) x 4.24in (H) 482.6mm (W) x 225.1mm (D) x 107.8mm (H)
o Weight: 15.2lbs / 6kgJanuary 15, 2010 at 2:29 am #9552LeifKeymasterAlright, the first thing I would do would be to find out whether the problem is the link between the DJ software and BDJ (Breakaway DJ ASIO Driver), or BDJ or the audio output.
This is easy to do. If you’re hearing glitches, turn on the tone generator inside Breakaway DJ’s settings.
If the test tone sounds perfect, then the problem is the Input. If the test tone sounds bad, the problem is either inside breakaway, or at the output.
Vista would certainly be my last choice in operating systems, but if it works fine without breakaway, it should work fine with breakaway too. Also, that’s not a slow laptop — I’m running Breakaway DJ on my netbook (atom n280), so it really should work on yours as well.
If it turns out that it’s the Pioneer’s ASIO driver that is unreliable, how about running Breakaway DJ with kernel streaming output? You can still get low latency this way, and you can still use the Breakaway DJ ASIO Input driver.
///Leif
January 15, 2010 at 2:36 am #9553AnonymousGuest[quote author=”Leif”]Alright, the first thing I would do would be to find out whether the problem is the link between the DJ software and BDJ (Breakaway DJ ASIO Driver), or BDJ or the audio output.
This is easy to do. If you’re hearing glitches, turn on the tone generator inside Breakaway DJ’s settings.
If the test tone sounds perfect, then the problem is the Input. If the test tone sounds bad, the problem is either inside breakaway, or at the output.
Vista would certainly be my last choice in operating systems, but if it works fine without breakaway, it should work fine with breakaway too. Also, that’s not a slow laptop — I’m running Breakaway DJ on my netbook (atom n280), so it really should work on yours as well.
If it turns out that it’s the Pioneer’s ASIO driver that is unreliable, how about running Breakaway DJ with kernel streaming output? You can still get low latency this way, and you can still use the Breakaway DJ ASIO Input driver.
///Leif[/quote]
It sounds perfect when just testing BDJ with test tone. And I love your program Leif. I don’t care how I have to run it as long as I run it. ) How would I do it with kernal streaming out put. So do you want me to run the test tone when OTS is running or just by itself. What I can’t understand and call me dumb is there other day it seemed to work fine and now today bam another problem. Trust me I close all my programs and its not on the net and no antivirus is installed here. I’m really not trying to make you work here. I’m telling you once I have this thing working perfectly on my system I shall be raving about it all on the DJ boards just like OTS. Now when I go into OTS and have the system playing and then run a test tone with a playlist importing it sounds bad and and I can here clicks etc etc in the test tone even when just playing a song.
I will tell you this Leif they have no drivers to make this mixer work on a 64 bit system. If you came out with a work around I think the people at pioneer and those who want this mixer but have a 64 bit system would be heavy buyers of your program.
January 15, 2010 at 3:00 am #9554LeifKeymasterHey, I’m not blaming you! Of course I want to make it work, there’s (almost) nothing I enjoy more than people enjoying my creations. 🙂
When trying the test tone, OTS and everything else must be running, to make it a fair test. Loading a playlist while running the test tone is the right way to do it!
The Output section of BDJ is completely separate for the output. The Breakaway DJ ASIO driver (which you selected in OTS, right?) is always the best choice for input, no matter what output you use.
For Output, there’s Kernel Streaming:
And, there’s ASIO:
ASIO is the better choice if the sound card’s ASIO drivers are reliable. But, if they’re not, KS (Kernel Streaming) may be a workaround.
///Leif
January 15, 2010 at 3:04 am #9555AnonymousGuestYep I tried it with OTS running etc etc. And that is when I had my problems.
January 15, 2010 at 3:19 am #9556LeifKeymasterOK, so are you running ASIO or KS? Does it make a difference? What’s the CPU usage (according to task manager) when you’re experiencing problems?
Also, you don’t need the Pipeline inputs to use the Breakaway DJ ASIO driver, so you could disable them and see if makes a difference.
Could you describe the glitches more carefully? What does it sound like? How many / how often etc?
///Leif
January 15, 2010 at 4:16 am #9557AnonymousGuest[quote author=”Leif”]OK, so are you running ASIO or KS? Does it make a difference? What’s the CPU usage (according to task manager) when you’re experiencing problems?
Also, you don’t need the Pipeline inputs to use the Breakaway DJ ASIO driver, so you could disable them and see if makes a difference.
Could you describe the glitches more carefully? What does it sound like? How many / how often etc?
///Leif[/quote]
I’m running in KS mode and it does work better I do have the buffers up quite a bit but it sounds fairly good. When running a regular audio song CPU is in the teens when doing video its about 40-45 doing transitions to other videos it can go up to 70 to 80 and when bringing in my large play list running BDJ I saw it spike as high as 89 but that was it. I only get the sound now when importing my larger playlist I also do have real time priority enabled which does seem to help a little. It’s fairly slight and it sounds like the song is breaking up a little and it does slow up the picture and the song I can see when it happens. Again thanks so much for listening to me and my problem that I’m having. I truly love this program.
January 15, 2010 at 6:54 am #9558MilkyKeymasterFor what it is worth, I have been bashing OtsTV all day through BADJ running KS in and ASIO out (M-Audio 192 card) and it hasn’t missed a beat, so I don’t believe the problem it Ots. SOunds superb! Thanks Leif.
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