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[quote author=”JesseG”]I uploaded plenty in the past, including the full torture test, but took the files down a while ago. Sorry that you missed it. =)[/quote]
Missing it is out of the question, but… I’ve seen plenty of photos of the Loch Ness monster too. Never seen the real thing though… 😉
[quote author=”JesseG”]By the way, it sounds even better than those samples I uploaded before, due to a few new tricks being added to Omnia.9’s core.[/quote]
uhuh 8) …[quote author=”radio oude stijl”]I’ve seen plenty of photos of the Loch Ness monster too. Never seen the real thing though… 😉 [/quote]LMAO
When I read Jesse`s post where he mentioned Passive Aggressor ("Can’t wait for you to get your hands on Passive Aggressor michi.") I was listening to the Beatles "When I’m sixty-four".
But before Passive Aggressor you will definetly get your hands on my Active Defender preset.*
My alternative for Volumes Logic`s batch processing option.A) You will like it a lot.
or
B) You will LYAO !By the way it is not based on Sound Solution.
The DSP is much simpler, but it is the perfect AGC – nothing more and nothing less.* I will release it one day before Passive Aggressor !
[quote author=”radio oude stijl”]Missing it is out of the question, but… I’ve seen plenty of photos of the Loch Ness monster too. Never seen the real thing though… 😉 [/quote]The big difference is you can’t buy a Nessy, but you CAN buy an Omnia.9, right now. 🙂
[quote author=”michi95″]* I will release it one day before Passive Aggressor ![/quote]You’re already too late. But I still wanna hear your perfect AGC.
[quote author=”JesseG”]But I still wanna hear your perfect AGC.[/quote]
[quote author=”michi95″]A) You will like it a lot.
or
B) You will LYAO ![/quote]I have warned you !
[attachment=1:2yliwayw]Active Defender.jpg[/attachment:2yliwayw]
[attachment=0:2yliwayw]Active Defender SA.zip[/attachment:2yliwayw]Download page for Enhancer (free Winamp DSP plugin):
http://www.i-adrian.home.ro/enhancer.htm[quote author=”Boki”]Maybe you should see how looks AGC section in O.9 🙂[/quote]The title of this topic is:
"Still need a replacement for Volume Logic"I have never said that this was meant to challenge something like an Omnia 9 or similiar modern hardware processing machines.
This was meant as a (zero cost !) batch processing replacement for Volume Logic.Until you have not tried it with my settings you cannot judge it.
Though it is very simple, it is astonishing how good this works for balancing the loudness ( ➡ see my very heterogenous playlist in foobar).
Compare it with Breakaway Live (including the OB presets) !
And it has definetly the advantage that many modern tracks sound almost identically to the unprocessed originals with my settings ( ➡ Gorillaz – Clint Eastwood) – except the intro and the outro phase.
With Volume Logic, Breakaway Live, Stereo Tool, etc. you are always aware of the fact that the sound you hear is processed (always beyond a good CD master) – except the presets I have mentioned earlier: Volume Logic`s Acoustic (General) and BA Live`s Zenith OB.So it is for sure not the right thing to win the loudness war.
Thanks Michi for posting link to Enhancer DSP plugin. I am a Volume Logic user but I often find the compression too choppy and there’s no way to tweak it which is why I tried BAE and BL, hoping Leif would one day make either a Breakaway Winamp plugin or a Breakaway file processor.
In the meantime I tried Sound Solution and Stereo Tool which are, no doubt, great but way too complicated for me.
But I didn’t know of Enhancer until now – I’m amazed I haven’t found it before. I’ve only had a couple of plays with it as yet, but looks like it could be well suited to my needs. Best of all it’s very easy to make and save custom presets.
So thanks again!
@ Nick
You have to be very careful especially with the Volume and the Harmonic Treble sliders !
The settings I use are based on a wide variety of different sources.
If you use higher values for Harmonic Treble you will run into trouble with some modern tracks ( ➡ e.g. results to very harsh hihat sounds).
If you use higher values for Volume (this is the AGC !) the only benefit would be pumping, but not higher loudness.
So if you really need higher loudness (for your portable player) you should use a good limiter post Enhancer instead.
For example this freeware VST plugin:
http://www.kvraudio.com/db/classic_mast … rhus_audio
http://audiosoftplanet.com/kjaerhus-aud … lugins.htmSo my settings for Enhancer give you the best loudness and spectral balance for all kind of sources.
Especially the Volume (aka AGC) max setting I use is based on many detailed listening tests to preserve as much dynamic range as possible.
Try tracks like "Don McLean – American Pie" (the original album version) or similiar music like the Cohen stuff.
Compare it with BA Live, Volume Logic, Stereo Tool, etc.:
Intros tend to be too loud (relative to the main parts).
Ok, in Breakaway you can adjust (reduce) the range setting, but this lowers the loudness too – so you finally end up with almost the same dynamic range.So lets hope that the day of Breakaway V1 release will arrive soon, to get access to Jesse`s Passive Aggressor preset that should solve this problem.
Hi michi, just wondering what is your ideal or preferred batch processing combination so far, including other winamp compatible paid tools (i.e. stereo tools, etc)? I mean, what has worked the best for you?
I don’t mind paying an extra for a software that would allow the flexibility and speed of winamp’s disk writer and other plugin combinations. I’ve been praying for Leif to come up for something like this for about two years now, I would surely buy it, but now I think this might never happen, as it might not be considered a high volume seller or there might be another reasons.I’m a newbie in audio processing and setting up correctly and fine tuning each DSP, so suggestions, photos and settings like the ones you posted in here, and in the old post "winamp plugin" (http://www.claessonedwards.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2917#p2917) are a life saver for me (I’m sure as for many others as well). I do listen to most of my music on the go, but as in for yourself, I also care a lot about the sound quality.
thanks!
@ livelike321 and everybody else
Please forget what I have suggested more than two (!) years ago !
It would be a waste of time if you try to rebuild this strange processing chain.I don`t want to occupy this (Breakaway !) forum.
Try Enhancer with my preset (Active Defender SA – AGC by Hawkeye T. = 68,25,53,25,53,100,21,100,1,0).
This should be fine (reread what I have written in my other posts).
I use it with this settings (plus a VST plugin to reduce – 0,8 dB gain for MP3 encoding).In the end you have to decide what your ears need and use the processing that creates the best results.
My suggested settings are meant as a quality anchor reflecting my subjective opinion of what processing should do to have music files that not do not sound artificial processed.
IMO it should sound like a HQ CD master (and not like radio).The (old !) Enhancer has the advantage that it is very CPU friendly.
Especially important because the Winamp DSP plugin structure does not support multi-core usage.
You cannot use more than one core ( I do not know any application that has a workaround for this limitation).E.g. I own dBpoweramp Reference.
It supports multi-core usage.
This works also with VST and DX plugins, because those plugins can be used in multiple instances.
But if you use a Winamp DSP plugin (with a special DSP to VST wrapper, because dBpoweramp does not support Winamp DSP plugins natively) you can only use one core !
Though a workaround for this problem might be possible:
The host application must refer to multiple individual Winamp (plugin folder) installations for every core.
It is possible to use multiple Winamp DSP plugin instances as long as you load each instance in its individual (cloned) plugin folder (you can try this with Breakaway Live).[quote author=”michi95″]The (old !) Enhancer has the advantage that it is very CPU friendly.
Especially important because the Winamp DSP plugin structure does not support multi-core usage.
You cannot use more than one core ( I do not know any application that has a workaround for this limitation).[/quote]
That’s inaccurate. Any executable (like a plugin) loaded by another executable (like winamp) can create as many threads as it wants, and they will be automatically optimized (to make all of the cores available as often possible) by the host Windows system.Although not a requirement… but for some forms of DSP such as a simple gain (addition) that cannot possibly be multi-threaded or anything else that for whatever reason can’t be multi-threaded by design, is you need to add a buffer for each additional core you want to support, and a thread scheduler, so that the DSP can be run on multiple 576-sample blocks of audio simultaneously, and also have maximum throughput.
So the DSP itself can be multi-threaded… just like the Omnia.9 is… and also the DSP can be single threaded but process multiple blocks of audio simultaneously. Both are possible with Winamp, although not every DSP works in either of those scenarios.
That being said… most Winamp plugins are NOT multi-threaded on their audio engines. And only some of them even use separate threads for their GUIs. (naughty naughty) So your comment about dbPowerAmp is a good one from a real-world practicality standpoint. If you’re outputting the files to a hard disk just make sure to defrag after you’re done as writing multiple files to the drive simultaneously will uber-fragment all of them.
I just had to correct that from a technical standpoint, as I’ve done my own multi-threaded DSPs before, that could just as easily be a Winamp plugin as they can be standalone.
Cheers
michi95, I’m not sure you understand why I think the replacement for Volume Logic is still needed.
Volume Logic and Breakaway (because they’re both products from Leif) do an awesome job of balancing out audio and applying smart compression when needed.
I need to be able to take an hour long wave file and run it through Volume Logic or Breakaway Live and have the output be a corrected wave file.
That’s about it. The Volume Logic DSP for winamp did exactly that. I’m still able to use it to this day but it’s in "trial" mode because I’m no longer able to activate the copy of Volume Logic I purchased years ago.
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