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[quote author=”michi95″] If Leif had done what I have suggested him moths ago (to clone himself),
Passive Aggressor would already be here ![/quote]Haha, but thanks for the info! Didn’t read all topics so far.
But as Jesse has been teasing for months, this means he’s self-assure, so the preset must be very good. Otherwise he would disappoint all of us 🙁
@ Jesse, you feel the pressure on your shoulders? 😉 #LOL#
[quote author=”Ivo”]@ Jesse, you feel the pressure on your shoulders? 😉 #LOL#[/quote]Waiting for this (holy grail) Passive Aggressor preset for months (and to read/hear Jesse’s hymns about it he sings again and again !) is like torture.
I have already informed the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights.
But no answer yet (maybe they are as busy as Leif ?).quote :Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or PunishmentPart I
Article 1
……the term “torture” means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental……..http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/cat.htm
I hope that we have not wait for UN blue helmets at Claesson Edwards Audio to get this Passive Aggressor !IIRC,the high end on the 8500 was something i did not care for.Sizzle or distortion?? Just too bright for me.That box found a home in the Netherlands…
[quote author=”camclone”]Greek Music and Bolywood music …needs that new preset too 🙂)[/quote]
It’s not a processed sounding preset at all. You probably won’t like it for your FM. But you might love it at home. I dunno. It is what it is. 8)[quote author=”Ivo”]An open preset, easy to listen to, but with a density you dream about. The last thing means a better mask of the noise in talking s/n ratio, which means a few km’s/miles more range of the fm-transmitter. Those factors seem to me like a very complicated combination[/quote]
The way it works is based on the pre-existing density of the music. It’s not a high density sound tho. It’s a very unprocessed sound. It won’t make a dynamic song sound crushed, and it won’t make a crushed song sound dynamic. But it will make the spectral balance and loudness always "just right" regardless, and that’s the innovation with it.It’s doing stuff that I don’t think any other processing could do, and each processor has 1+ things like that which it can do that nothing else can. That’s part of what makes audio processing so much fun.
[quote author=”michi95″]And obvious Leif is so busy that we have to be patient.[/quote]
Yep, he’s very busy with more than just consumer Breakaway. Plus somewhere in the middle he actually has a life. =) He’s not easy to get a hold of, even on the "secured sub-space channel". hehe.Passive aggressor sounds like it might be close to the cosmic setting in the omnia6. Very open and doesn’t crush anything.
I am anxious to hear it. 😥
[quote author=”Q106″]So is the new hardware version a joint venture with Omnia??[/quote]
➡ Frank Foti hits the road !
http://omniaaudio.com/omnia-audio-presi … s-the-road
I guess Omnia Audio has a new president from Sweden.[quote author=”JesseG”]Frank has the latest version of it, I’m waiting for his reply too.[/quote]No doubt his answer will be: "It’s fantastic !".
Maybe Passive Aggressor is too good for a public release ?
Something that Jesse, Leif and Frank want to keep exclusively for their private listening experience.Collusion?? Sounds like Frank is involved on this new project.Maybe they will call it "Omnia 11 JR…What cha" think??
[quote author=”JesseG”]But it will make the spectral balance and loudness always "just right" regardless, and that’s the innovation with it.
[/quote]@ Jesse >> This sounds as the ultimate processor for public stations! Compression you almost can’t hear, leaving the basics in material untouched, and so good for many formats. And what about noise reduction? Will it be available?
As almost everybody (including me) is curious about this preset, is there a possibility we can hear something from it in advance? Maby you can publish a short compilation of materials on the website 🙂 ? I would appriciate, ’cause I’d love to hear!
[quote author=”Ivo”]Maby you can publish a short compilation of materials on the website 🙂 ? I would appriciate, ’cause I’d love to hear![/quote]
A history of teasing and mental torture (starting point April 2010 !):
[quote author=”JesseG”]Just going to say.. this one is coming……………..
…..This time I’m not going to tease with audio samples though…….
……OK, I lied. 😉 (i planned on it too, lol)……..[/quote]
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viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1012&hilit=teasing
There you find some WAV and MP3 files.@ michi95 »» I really should read the older topics before I post, but thanks for your attention 😉 😉
I listened the files – however some links-pages doesn’t exist any longer – and they sound nice and clean. Especially ‘science – my edit – Passive Aggressive.wav’. Very good but I’m not totally convinced yet. Just because I didn’t heard the original.
Let me explain. In my opinion this is really important because if your source isn’t sounding well, you just can’t make it better using a sound processor. Not even with the most expensive one. If you fried your potatoes, you can’t turn that back either (I hope this comparison make sense and you know what I mean).
But as Jesse said before ‘it sounds open’ I totally agree so far. Still I can’t wait to hear more of it!
My remaining question @Jesse »» will ‘NR’ be available on this preset? And if so, how will it act? Based on speech, or music? (I mean with music there have to be a much higher treshold before ‘gettin’ in’).
As far as I know, Noise Reduction is not dependent upon the preset to be functional or not. It’s separate. It’s your choice at any time with any preset.
[quote author=”Ivo”]I really should read the older topics before I post, but thanks for your attention 😉 😉 [/quote]No one can expect that new members read all older topics.
In my opinion we are all here to help each other.
With information and experiences.
And I think that very often it happens, that a somehow naive newbie question leads to an idea or inspiration for others to rethink some (doubtless !?) concepts.[quote author=”Ivo”]In my opinion this is really important because if your source isn’t sounding well, you just can’t make it better using a sound processor.[/quote]I disagree.
But I understand that this opinion is based on your experiences.
And yes it is true: most sound processors (even Breakaway, sorry) make many bad sounding sources only less annoying, but you cannot feed them with crap on the input and get high fidelity on the output.
But if you overcome this whole loudness war thing, there is still room for substantial progress in real enhancing sound processing.
With combinations of high quality 10 band (or more) multiband compressor/expander/limiter plus EQs, denoising and intelligent transient tools (not SPL !) already today you can work miracles.
Of course you must know what you do if you don’t want to produce plastic sound that we all know from some (many or even most) of so called remastered edtions.
High fidelity audio engineering is an art.
And it is really a problem today, that we have so many (plugin) tools (coming with preset settings) as if it would be possible to do serious audio engineering with your fingers in your ears.
Kitchen radios are forced to sound as if they are ghetto blasters.
But very often when I play some of these "power" productions with my good old Yamaha hi-fi system, I have to think of ‘Back To Future’ the motion picture with Michael J. Fox from 1985 (this scene at the beginning of the movie when he uses the new monster speaker amp system created by Doc Brown – if you don’t know what I am talking about ➡ watch the movie !).
[quote author=”Q106″]So is the new hardware version a joint venture with Omnia??[/quote]
The audio processing scene in some ways has many secrets, many are well protected. It’s also very tightly knit, and nobody is an enemy of anyone else. We all have the same love, and we all like to share things sometimes. Frank does have a version of Breakaway that can load presets, obviously. Anything more is just speculation. Just wait and see what happens. 8)[quote author=”Q106″]Collusion?? Sounds like Frank is involved on this new project.Maybe they will call it "Omnia 11 JR…What cha" think??[/quote]
See above comment.[quote author=”Ivo”]This sounds as the ultimate processor for public stations! Compression you almost can’t hear, leaving the basics in material untouched, and so good for many formats. And what about noise reduction? Will it be available?[/quote]
The downward expander (aka noise reduction) is in it, and very well tuned and active. Calibrated for a -20dB LKFS input. But the new framework will most likely be going for an EBU R128 standard as far as input metering… basically -23dB LKFS, with -1dB maximum TruePeak (4x oversampled inter-sample detection)
[quote author=”Ivo”]As almost everybody (including me) is curious about this preset, is there a possibility we can hear something from it in advance? Maby you can publish a short compilation of materials on the website 🙂 ? I would appriciate, ’cause I’d love to hear![/quote]
I’m planning to render and upload my 3.5 hour processing demo from last year, processed with it. And another new preset too, when it’s ready. It’s not so much a torture test, but it’s very enjoyable to listen to (musically) and it does have some drastically differing material. With 3.5 hours, you get a good idea of what it could sound like on air across a bunch of genres.
[quote author=”Ivo”]I listened the files – however some links-pages doesn’t exist any longer – and they sound nice and clean. Especially ‘science – my edit – Passive Aggressive.wav’. Very good but I’m not totally convinced yet. Just because I didn’t heard the original.[/quote]
That’s taken from original CD pressing, so at least from that era to most new "remasters" you get a nice increase in dynamic range. The mp3s are missing because my stupid web host ran a script that deleted ALL mp3s from my website, without bothering to look at the usage to see that I wasn’t hosting them publicly OR using it for a backup service. PowWeb is who it was btw, and after my year contract is up, I’m leaving them after almost 7 years. What a pisser eh?
[quote author=”Ivo”]Let me explain. In my opinion this is really important because if your source isn’t sounding well, you just can’t make it better using a sound processor. Not even with the most expensive one. If you fried your potatoes, you can’t turn that back either (I hope this comparison make sense and you know what I mean).[/quote]
Passive Aggressor does very very good with over-processed and generally already ruined/destroyed audio. You’ll notice when stuff is very slammed, the output level will peak at like -3dB or less even. There has to be some headroom there for everything to be the right loudness.
[quote author=”Ivo”]But as Jesse said before ‘it sounds open’ I totally agree so far. Still I can’t wait to hear more of it!My remaining question @Jesse »» will ‘NR’ be available on this preset? And if so, how will it act? Based on speech, or music? (I mean with music there have to be a much higher treshold before ‘gettin’ in’).[/quote]
It’s more relaxed than what you heard in those demos. It also has a few tweaks to eliminate potentially distortion generating timings that are there with "Reference" or "50" settings for the attack/release in there. That info has also been passed along to Leif btw.[quote author=”sgeirk”]As far as I know, Noise Reduction is not dependent upon the preset to be functional or not. It’s separate. It’s your choice at any time with any preset.[/quote]
It’s not separate. It’s your choice to enable it or not, but the downward expander settings are part of the preset, so that the level and "action" of the noise reduction can match whatever the preset requires, or doesn’t.
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