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[quote author=”Leif”][quote author=”celar”]This was good news to me because once we finally got rid of the dropouts on our Vista system[/quote]
How’d you do it?? 🙂I’m ready to reformat and upgrade my laptop to XP.
///Leif[/quote]
Oh, well Leif you’re going to love this… we hired a programmer!. He ended up writing a custom Wave DLL for us, to take the place of the DLL that comes with Vista.. And that finally got rid of the dropouts.. It requires us to select "Wave" I/O in BBP, which is rather antiquated, but it does work.. Sheeesh, what a headache that was.
Maybe we should sell this DLL to Microsoft…
Sounds promising so far. Here’s what did. I installed my Echo Mia sound card with it’s new Vista drivers. I looped the digital input and output together and used the digital input to feed Breakaway. Maybe there’s something about Vista the Breakaway pipeline doesn’t like? Also, in this configuration Breakaway needs large buffers but latency is not a concern in my application.
Leif, we’re not even in the software sales business; we probably oughta just give it away!.
The version we have probably wouldn’t work in general use, because we had the programmer create it for our specific installation (and it doesn’t have the standard functions to support any other configuration).. But who knows, if we had him flesh it out a bit, we might really have something here.
Dave,
[quote author=”sneradio”]I installed my Echo Mia sound card with it’s new Vista drivers. I looped the digital input and output together and used the digital input to feed Breakaway.[/quote]Sounding excellent here!! 48k AAC+ stream.
Kenny Rogers – You Decorated My Life.
A jingle …. I love ’em!!!
What settings are you using Dave? The sax in Glenn Frey – The One You Love sounds great.
Scott
[quote author=”ScottyJames”]What settings are you using Dave? The sax in Glenn Frey – The One You Love sounds great.[/quote]
I’m using CGSmooth. As-is, no tweaks.Dave,
It’s so clean on Ray Goodman and Brown – Special Lady, I can hear the print through. 🙂
Magic Of The 80s just started .. gee I’m that old!!
I think you get a better result with CG Smooth than I do.
Nice work.
Scott
[quote author=”ScottyJames”]Magic Of The 80s just started .. gee I’m that old!![/quote]
I’m right there with you! I remember playing these songs as "currents" at various radio stations back in the day. 8)
By the way, that show is delivered "pre-processed" (sometimes poorly) so all bets are off as to sound quality.I’ve given up fighting Vista audio and have gone back to my old XP box. 👿 Too bad it won’t run Breakaway (it’s got a poky Celeron processor). I should be moving everything to a Windows 2003 Server computer this weekend and that one runs Breakaway just fine.
Dave,
I thought you had solved the problem by looping the Digital output of your card back into the input. Bypassing the Pipelines. Didn’t that maintain the quality you wanted?
The Engineer at an FM station I speak with on a regular basis was telling me this morning they just got a new PC for some audio work and they "upgraded" it as soon as they got it, from Vista to XP. Maybe it’s a problem everyone’s experiencing.
Scott
[quote author=”ScottyJames”]Dave,
I thought you had solved the problem by looping the Digital output of your card back into the input. Bypassing the Pipelines. Didn’t that maintain the quality you wanted?
Scott[/quote]
It was an improvement, but not enough. There are some songs where certain frequencies just get destroyed. It almost seems that when I change something it sounds OK for a while and then starts sounding bad again. I dunno. I like Vista’s GUI, but not the *@^%#% sound system.I’m seeing the same thing regarding Vista and XP. I ran Vista on my Dell 1420 laptop (pentium dual core) since the drivers in vista allow 192 kHz I/O — the XP drivers allow 192 kHz input only, output is only 48 kHz.
However, under Vista, running a single copy of MpxTool used 30% cpu even with oversampling disabled, and there were occasional glitches. Running two copies = fuhgeddaboudit.
After I upgraded to XP, one copy of MpxTool runs on 15%, with oversampling enabled. Not a glitch in sight. Two copies (to record mpx from two processors or two stations at the same time) = no problem, it doesn’t even break a sweat!
///Leif
[quote author=”Leif”]I’m seeing the same thing regarding Vista and XP.[/quote]
For a while there I thought it was just me! While I’m disappointed that Vista’s audio system stinks, I am quite relieved to hear that I am not the only one with this problem. And even more relieved to see that a software developer specializing in audio applications (Leif) sees it too!So has anyone exercised Windows 7’s audio? I just wonder if it’s the same as Vista or if it’s been improved…
Good question. I’ll have to try it one of these days.
Perhaps Vista audio could work better by talking directly to the vista drivers (WaveRT) instead of DirectSound or Wave, much like Kernel Streaming works better than DirectSound or Wave in 2000 / XP. However, it’s yet another development effort, and I just haven’t gotten there yet.
Kernel Streaming is darn nice. Windows 2000 does not support 192 kHz audio. Using Wave or DirectSound, there is absolutely no way to achieve it. Using Kernel Streaming, on the other hand, works beautifully at 192 kHz (as long as the driver and sound card supports it)!
Best,
//Leif
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