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[quote author=”sven_1968″]I discovered "Amsterdam". Wow, maybe too much for a lot people but it sure is a great preset.[/quote]
Amsterdam preset!!
Question, is there a difference in sound (quality) between Breakaway Live and Broadcast, using the Amsterdam preset?
I want to use Breakaway for studio monitoring and internet broadcast only[quote author=”Italofan”]Question, is there a difference in sound (quality) between Breakaway Live and Broadcast, using the Amsterdam preset? I want to use Breakaway for studio monitoring and internet broadcast only[/quote]
I say Live is higher quality for all but FM/AM/MTX applications… all the way. Sure CLEAN clipping can sometimes allow a bit better subjective quality when the signal is already pushed way too far – such as competitive loudness on the FM dial – but for digital broadcasting it’s undesirable.
What you want is a cleaner more open and natural sound that is pleasant to listen to, not "impressive" within the first 7 seconds or people might tune out. I say that it’s the exact opposite of that. You want a pleasant tone, with some semblance of musical dynamics left, and to deliver that sound consistently.
I helped (in many more ways than just processing) a net-radio station leave a 50 listener max setup in a bedroom… become the #1 net-radio network online for 2.5 years running… with what Leif describes as "a really good sounding EQ", aka my own audio processing. (it’s quite a lot more complicated, but what he said has merit even though he doesn’t know its topography) An "impressive" loud processed sound doesn’t impress for long, even in the short term of 1 listening session. What may have initially attracted someone to your station, will eventually turn them off too. But think of it like a shallow relationship. Most of us have had them on one side or another (or both, hehe). What a long lasting healthy relationship with your listeners needs is common ground. Impressing listeners just for the sake of impressing them is going to attract the wrong listeners. It’s all about the content. This is really what makes niche internet radio such a destructive (in a good way) change. The challenge in audio processing with all of this in mind is to allow the content producers the freedom to present whatever they want with a sound pleasing to your listeners, without it getting in the way of the content. "A really good sounding EQ".
If you learn anything from me, in regards to processing and what the listener wants… soak in what I just said in that last paragraph until it becomes part of your understanding. Coming from the guy that also made the "New York" preset… it’s probably is a bit hard to swallow, but I do know that some people *think* they have to "put up" with the boxes they *think* they are placed in – namely certain top market FM broadcasters. We’re not part of that. We can give the listener what they want without limitations. Pleasantly delivered content that they want.
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I say Live is higher quality for all but FM/AM/MTX applications… all the way. Sure CLEAN clipping can sometimes allow a bit better subjective quality when the signal is already pushed way too far – such as competitive loudness on the FM dial – but for digital broadcasting it’s undesirable.
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Thank you
[quote author=”JesseG”]
What you want is a cleaner more open and natural sound that is pleasant to listen to, not "impressive" within the first 7 seconds or people might tune out. I say that it’s the exact opposite of that. You want a pleasant tone, with some semblance of musical dynamics left, and to deliver that sound consistently.
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But think of it like a shallow relationship. Most of us have had them on one side or another (or both, hehe). What a long lasting healthy relationship with your listeners needs is common ground. Impressing listeners just for the sake of impressing them is going to attract the wrong listeners.
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If you learn anything from me, in regards to processing and what the listener wants… soak in what I just said in that last paragraph until it becomes part of your understanding.
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I’m sorry Jesse, but what I want is a big ass fat over-the-top over-processed sound. When i’m broadcasting, "tornado"processing on my mic and music gives me the energy to go way beyond my limitations as a person. My knowledge of the music i’m playing is stored in my head, the interaction with my listeners, the jokes i come up with, the tracks i play… Just happen. Tornado-processing is my drug.
On air i use a milder processing, for now hardware but it’s going to be breakaway!! 🙂
I don’t need to soak in what you say, i already understand you. Most people don’t like over-processed, pumping audio, i know that. I would still use the Amsterdam preset on air but with the sliders turned down. I always ask my co-dj’s and listeners if the sound is good for them, if not, i change what the majority wants..
In the studio (monitoring, not on air), every dj has the freedom to change the processing for their show. This would be a breeze when we have Breakaway (first priority for now is a better soundcard and a new mixer).Anyway, thanks for a more than brilliant peace of software!
Italofan
Another problem I’m experiencing with the taskbar volume control in Live is that there seems to be a bug at least in XP whereby the volume slider will not relinquish focus like it should. Sometimes if I click on the slider and drag to make an adjustment it still adjusts even after letting go of the mouse button! From that point forward, unless I restart Live, it will adjust in the direction the pointer is moving anytime the pointer crosses over the volume slider area. This has caused me to jump out of my seat on a few occasions. Have you seen this and do you have a fix?
Thanks,
StuartIs Breakaway still under development? I know you said Leif was involved in other things but it’s been quite some time since he’s posted.
I just upgraded to a Dell 9100 with Windows 7 and keep getting this annoying aliasing artifact that makes everything sound like a cheap 80s toy requiring me to open and close the I/O config to correct. I really want to buy Live but it’a gotten so buggy and no one seems to be working on BA any longer 🙁 .
Stu
if that happens then some other program else is trying to open your soundcard at a different samplerate.
breakaway is live & well. 😉
quote :if that happens then some other program else is trying to open your soundcard at a different samplerate.So how do I prevent that from happening? It’s never been a problem until using Windows 7 with BA Live.
Glad to hear it’s still kicking too!
Stu
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quote :if that happens then some other program else is trying to open your soundcard at a different samplerate.So how do I prevent that from happening? It’s never been a problem until using Windows 7 with BA Live.
Glad to hear it’s still kicking too!
Stu[/quote]
I know it helps if you make your default soundcard the onboard sound, so that the OS and programs aren’t trying to use your higher-quality soundcard.
[quote author=”JesseG”][quote author=”maczrool”]
quote :if that happens then some other program else is trying to open your soundcard at a different samplerate.So how do I prevent that from happening? It’s never been a problem until using Windows 7 with BA Live.
Glad to hear it’s still kicking too!
Stu[/quote]
I know it helps if you make your default soundcard the onboard sound, so that the OS and programs aren’t trying to use your higher-quality soundcard.[/quote]
If I make the built in sound the default, then my applications don’t send the sound to the BA pipeline and I get no sound, so yeah that takes care of the aliasing but only by killing my sound almost entirely. I only get system sounds like that. I have to set the pipeline to the default to get BA to work correctly. If I go straight through the card that came with the PC, a SB X-fi Xtreme, it works correctly. It’s only with BA in the signal path that I have a problem.
Any other suggestions? The problem is annoying to the point of making it almost unusable.
Thanks,
StuYou might try on just one program, changing the output soundcard, and see if it works how it should. Whatever you’ll actually be using with Breakaway.
Or find whatever is on your system that is using the soundcard even when it’s not supposed to be. Because that is your last option if you’re simply not going to try testing if it works by changing the sound output in just one program.
But yeah, whatever software you have that’s using the soundcard is the problem. Breakaway or not, you’ll still be hearing that aliasing when you’re working with that soundcard on default.
The aliasing did not seem to have any particular software that caused it. It came when I had just explorer and IE running or explorer and Itunes or any other single program with explorer. It was definitely gone without BA in the signal chain, but I was able to fix it by upgrading the drivers on the sound card. It seemed to be something about the combination of BA and the old drivers that did not play well together.
At any rate it seems to be working pretty well now!
Thanks,
Stu[quote author=”wouter”]can we buy a full version of it or?[/quote]
http://www.ceaudio.com/
click on "Store" in the main top navigation.[quote author=”maczrool”]At any rate it seems to be working pretty well now![/quote]
OK good. By the way, there’s audio files you can run that will test if you’re actually getting aliasing, not just if it’s ~audible. I recall some being on the Hydrogenaudio website. Aliasing is more audible and bad to some people than others, and some playback setups than others, so regardless this is a good test to run, to be sure.[quote author=”JesseG”]there’s audio files you can run that will test if you’re actually getting aliasing, not just if it’s ~audible. I recall some being on the Hydrogenaudio website. Aliasing is more audible and bad to some people than others, and some playback setups than others, so regardless this is a good test to run, to be sure.[/quote]
I’ve done some searching on the Hydrogenaudio website, but was not able to find the files you mention. Any chance you can provide a link to those files or the article?
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