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  • #154
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Hi!

    After searching the internet for audio normalization, i found this website. Really very interesting what you offer!!

    I like to know, if there will be a winamp-plugin version of your BreakawayAudioEnhancer-Engine in the future?
    I will not install a system-wide tool, but for my audio files within winamp, it would be perfect to use your tool!

    When will you release such a version?

    PS: With the new website, any information about a winamp-version is gone…

    Thanxs 🙂
    Shamousi

    #4577
    Leif
    Keymaster

    Hi Shamousi!

    I’m afraid because of Winamp’s dwindling popularity, making a dedicated Winamp Plug-in has become a low priority.

    However, you can actually use Breakaway for only winamp — you don’t have to run it system wide.

    It’s easy.

    When you install Breakaway, make sure to select Safe Mode. After that:

    If you are using Vista:

    Open Control Panel, Hardware and Sound, Sound. Select your sound card as the default device.

    If you are using Windows XP:

    Open Breakaway Settings, uncheck "Manage". Then, open the control panel, Sounds and Audio Devices, and select your sound card as the default device.

    Finally, in Winamp, press CTRL-P, Output plug-ins, DirectSound output. Click Configure, and select Breakaway Pipeline as the audio output.

    Done!

    Best regards,
    ///Leif

    #4578
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Hi Leif

    Thanks for your fast answer.

    The point is this: I’m one of the "freaks" using linux. With the winamp plugin, it should be possible to run your software within a linux emulation (wine) environment (for example: VolumeLogic winamp-plugin was running fine with winamp on a linux environment).

    But I’m still full of hope that one day there would be a winamp-plugin… (or a solution to get a workaround for the pipeline driver to run within "wine", see viewtopic.php?f=2&t=100&hilit=linux)

    Best wishes
    Shamousi

    #4579
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Hi Leif

    Now, three months later, I just wonder if there are any news.

    I know you already declined to develop a Breakaway-Plugin for Winamp. But maybe you changed your mind in the past months?

    Many people out there are looking forward for a less system-dependent version of BREAKAWAY.

    Still no chance?

    Other versions requested:

    MAC
    viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81

    VST
    viewtopic.php?f=2&t=216

    Blackberry
    viewtopic.php?f=2&t=168

    Linux:
    viewtopic.php?f=2&t=100

    Winamp:
    viewtopic.php?f=2&t=73

    Thanks 🙂

    #4580
    Leif
    Keymaster

    I understand, Shamousi!

    Please understand however, I’m only one person. If I spent all my time rehashing the same algorithm for different platforms, I’d have no time actually inventing something new.

    Also, making a working plug-in is the easy part. The hard part is testing, protection, making the installer, testing that, adding another new section to the web site, adding the new product to the web store, marketing, yada yada yada.

    I’m not saying no, I’m just saying it’s a low priority, which means I will do it when I have no higher priority project in the queue. Unfortunately this means I have no idea when I will actually get to it. I wish I had a better answer.

    Best regards,
    ///Leif

    #4581
    michi95
    Member

    @ Shamousi

    If you are really looking for a high quality normalization only (without bad side effects and without extra enhancement), you should try Compressor & Wider 1.5 (dsp_compwide.dll ) a free Winamp plugin by Martin Pesch the author of mp3DirectCut
    http://mpesch3.de1.cc/
    http://mpesch3.de1.cc/misc.html

    It comes with a few presets.
    But these presets are not good (in my ears).
    But you can create your own presets.

    Here are 3 very good presets:

    Dynamic:
    Stereo separation 0 (normal)
    Input HP cutoff off
    Max amp 2.3 x
    Amp raise 5130 ms
    Amp reduce 0.4 ms
    Threshold off

    Medium (Loud):
    Stereo separation 0 (normal)
    Input HP cutoff off
    Max amp 3.0 x
    Amp raise 1111 ms
    Amp reduce 0.4 ms
    Threshold off

    Very Loud:
    Stereo separation 0 (normal)
    Input HP cutoff off
    Max amp 8.0 x
    Amp raise 301 ms
    Amp reduce 0.4 ms
    Threshold off

    If you want more (extra enhancement) there are ways of chaining multiple DSPs, but it is a little bit complicated, because of compatibility problems of the multiple DSP stacker plugins.
    It is necessary to combine them to make every (known) DSP work.
    And it only works with Winamp (not with foobar2000 or ffdshow DSP adapters) !

    The (free) DSP Plugins you need:

    1. DSP Stacker 1.6 by Spacial Audio Solutions
    2. Multiple DSP Plugin (aka Stacker) 1.01
    (you need both)

    MuchFX does not work for this, but it is necessary if you want to use
    DX-Plugins with the free VB:FX-4 DX Manager Plugin – so these two are only additional options but not needed for the standard chain.

    3. YouWaShock
    4. StereoTool 3.55 (the free unregistered version is ok)
    5. Compressor & Wider 1.5

    How To:

    1. choose DSP Stacker 1.6 as DSP in Winamp preferences

    2. load Multiple DSP Plugin 1.01 with DSP Stacker 1.6

    3. press configure Multiple DSP Plugin 1.01 inside DSP Stacker 1.6

    4. load YouWaShock with Multiple DSP Plugin 1.01

    5. set YouWaShock to 45 minutes (12 light segments on, default mode A)
    this is a good starting point for your own tweakings
    (it defines the grade of spectral enhancement)

    6. load StereoTool 3.55 with DSP Stacker 1.6

    7. inside StereoTool select the preset
    "VOLUME COMPRESSION – Normal Compression" !!!

    8. two small changes to this preset:
    Pre Amp 1.0 (instead of 3.00)
    enable Noise Gate (On) with 2.90 %

    9. load Compressor & Wider 1.5 with DSP Stacker 1.6 and use my presets:
    "Dynamic" (I prefer this)
    "Medium"
    or "Very Loud"

    extra info:
    YouWaShock is incompatible with DSP Stacker 1.6 (you can load it, but it will be permanently bypassed), that’s why you have to use Multiple DSP Plugin 1.01.
    VB:FX-4 DX Manager Plugin is incompatible with DSP Stacker 1.6, too.
    If you want to use it, you have to use MuchFX as an extra adapter inside DSP Stacker 1.6.
    Multiple DSP Plugin 1.01 is incompatible with StereoTool, that’s why you have to use DSP Stacker 1.6.

    If you (Windows users) want to compare this DSP chain with Breakaway, don’t forget to bypass Breakaway !
    And of course enable "Play unmodified sound" in DSP Stacker 1.6
    when you turn Breakaway enhancement on !

    My DSP chain has the disadvantage that it only works with Winamp and not like Breakaway as a system wide processing.
    On the other hand you can use the DSP chain with any Winamp (output) writer plugin !
    StereoTool 3.55 eats a lot of CPU (too much, maybe a broken multi core usage).
    So if you want to use a writer output plugin (have an old computer anyway) consider to use version 3.40 which is much more CPU friendly (much faster on my Athlon 6000+ Dual Core system).
    I use Breakaway (bypassed) and its oscilloscope for visual monitoring.
    Though bypassed, there still seems to be the limiter active inside Breakaway.
    So I have checked my processed files (disk writer output saved as WAV) with Adobe Audition 1.5.
    There is no clipping with files processed by my DSP chain (even with my Comp & Wider preset "Very Loud") !

    What is better (audio quality enhancement) ?
    Well, it doesn’t matter what I tell you here, if you don’t try my DSP chain with your own ears.

    My personal ranking:

    DFX = crap
    YouWaShock = nice, but you have to tune it up and down for different music
    StereoTool = good
    Breakaway = very good
    YouWaShock-StereoTool-Comp & Wider DSP chain = for those with an eye for the finer details

    I don’t believe that many Windows users will (be able to) try my chain, so I think Leif has not a problem with this subversive post.
    But to all you Linux freaks out there:
    It (the chain) is very easy to build.

    #4582
    Leif
    Keymaster

    Your plug-in chain may be great for people with an eye for finer details. Breakaway, however, is for people with an ear for finer details. 🙂

    ///Leif

    #4583
    michi95
    Member

    Touche !

    But this is only a proof that Leif has an eye for the finer details.
    Salute !

    I took these words straight from the cover of ‘FGTH – Welcome To The Pleasuredome’.
    I know from the heart of an audio engineer (and his technical background knowledge) this chaining must be inferior.
    Please don’t waste your time, don’t try my chain !

    Imagine a world without dogmas.
    It’s the same thing like the people at http://www.hydrogenaudio.org know for sure,
    that they even never try anything like Breakaway.
    In their eyes (sorry Leif – their ears) any kind of processing is devil’s handiwork.
    They think day and night about lossless audio and making jokes about people
    using MP3 at 128 kbps.
    They do not realize that a lossless representation of a crappy (original) WAV
    is still crappy.

    Don’t trust me or any other expert on the internet or anywhere else.
    The Wallstreet was (and still is) full of experts.

    Trust your own ears and eyes ! 😉

    #4584
    lpy7
    Member

    Just had a quick browse at that hydrogenaudio forum. By the time they finish their debate on lossy vs lossless, they’ll be old and gray with crappy ears what wouldn’t pick the difference anyway LOL.

    #4585
    Leif
    Keymaster

    Indeed. I will happily leave them to maintain their bit-accurate representations of horribly clipped CDs. 🙂

    ///Leif

    #4586
    aleph99
    Member

    Michi95, I did take the trouble to assemble your whole DSP stack – while still waiting for the Breakaway batch writing tool that would presumably spare us all this trouble – and found out it sounds pretty darn good. In fact, I am using it right now to preprocess my music collection in order to feed it into my IPod.

    I couldn’t find a way to save the whole contraption, though, so that I could recover it straight away after rebooting. Do you know of a way to do just that? And I do miss the round full bass Breakaway provides. I guess to an audiophile’s ears it would look (or sound) a bit excessive, but it does sound good in my earphones. Would you know of a way to accomplish something similar using one of the tools in the chain?

    Thanks.

    #4587
    michi95
    Member

    [quote author=”aleph99″]And I do miss the round full bass Breakaway provides. I guess to an audiophile’s ears it would look (or sound) a bit excessive, but it does sound good in my earphones. Would you know of a way to accomplish something similar using one of the tools in the chain?

    Thanks.[/quote]Search for other Winamp DSPs (EQs) and add it to the chain.

    It seems as if you have to rebuild the chain after every reboot (or restart of winamp ?) step by step:
    This is not intended.
    The whole DSP chain should be saved automatically by Winamp (and the stackers by saving ini files).
    And this is the way it works for me.
    There might be a corruption of an INI file of the stackers.
    Check and identify every INi file of the stackers inside your Winamp (plugin) folder and delete them all.
    Then rebuild the chain.
    I remember that the INI files of MuchFX and DSP Stacker 1.6 can corrupt if Winamp encounters an unexpected error or an unattended closing.
    Deleting the INIs should help to start with a fresh and stable basis.

    What Winamp version do you use ?
    2.9x or a new 5.5x version ?
    What is your operating system ?

    I use Winamp 2.95 on a Win XP Pro SP2 system.

    #4588
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Leif:

    At this moment I am using Winamp, SQR advance croosfading, AudioProc Compressor, and Shoutcast Source to broadcast my radio station. I am interested in using your Breakaway processor instead AudioProc in my configuration. Since you don’t have a dedicated DSP for Winamp, how can it be done?
    Thanks for your help,

    ASBGROUP 😀

    #4589
    timmywa
    Participant

    As mentioned in this forum you will run it like so (very simplified but it gives you the idea)

    1: Winamp Music 2: SQR Crossfader 3: Breakaway Pipeline 1 4: Edcast (Shoutcast DNS Replacement) http://users.tpg.com.au/radiorio/ 5: Shoutcast DNAS Server 6: Listeners

    #4590
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Timmy:

    I tried it but is not working !!!
    Which version of Breakaway can be use ?

    Thanks,
    ASB Group

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