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It’s very close to complete, it will be out with the next update of the Breakaways. In fact I’m listening to revision #68 right now. I’m going to torture it 😉 and make sure everything is flawless and there’s no problems at all… making sure the way it "eats" dynamics is 100% perfection… and it’ll be ready. It’s already so painfully close that I don’t want to touch anything except for that, if needed.
That might sound like a lot of revisions, but some presets I did like Helix and New York got closer to 200 revisions. Motor City has been a much more focused development, and sound that I’ve wanted to go for. It now matches that sound in my head every second of playback.
This preset is all about one thing: ROCK ON!!!
It is very open, lets the music be itself, and it isn’t afraid of you! At the same time, it’s also very consistent and has an uncanny ability to make just about anything sound rocking, without sounding inappropriate. If you’re a rock station, this WILL allow you to expand your playlist in a few new directions you may have not thought possible before.
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Jesse, Loving this preset so far, it’s powerful yet open, and respectful of the dynamics. It’s also really bright and crisp, kick drums keep their edge and don’t lose their attack.
The only track which IMO did not sound as good as I hoped was the Great Gig in the Sky, although this may be down to the source as my reference for this track is the 2003 remaster SACD.
It’s just the piano seems to develop a gritty, almost 8-bit sound during the quieter periods (this may be gating noise in the orignal master) but I certainly don’t hear this on my SACD version.
Aside from this observation (which may be down to the source anyway) the dynamics were handled brilliantly and the feel and emotion of the song shone through.A great job so far, keep up the great work.
Yorkie.
That "Great Gig in the Sky" was taken from the original Japanese "Black Triangle 1A1" 1st pressing, and properly de-emphasized at 32bit, requantized to 16bit. That was recorded low in levels with a VERY early digitizer, but dynamically speaking it’s the "holy grail" for that particular album. The early 16bit quantization is sure evident after it gets blown up like 20-30 db tho, hehe.
The click thing at the end is a gate or mute noise tho. And it’s in the original.
Thanks for the opinions. 🙂
I figured it might be the source as the preset and all the other tracks sounded superb.
You should take a listen to the SACD if you get a chance, its so clean and smooth and the 5.1 mix makes it possible to hear elements of the music you never notice before as they were lost in the mix.
For pete’s sake, I can’t even hear these properly because my internet connection is being a pain in the ass as they keep buffering as they are nice and juicy .wavs!
Any way I can download these?
[quote author=”timmywa”]Lee, right-click and do Save Target/Link as… and this will download.[/quote]
Ah, I like it, and there’s me waiting for it to load in the Quick Player browser!! 🙄
If you go into QuickTime settings, under MIME-types… disable everything that isn’t .qt or .mov 😉 and it *should* stop over-riding your browser’s built in handling methods. I’ve always hated QuickTime for doing that.
Would be nice to hear with mainstream alt/rock…
Foo Fighters – The Pretender (specifically the last third)
Rise Against – Re-Education Through Labor
Paramore – Crushcrushcrush
I usually use these 3 (and a few others) to test a preset. Anything preset that can control splashy-ness is ok in my book.
*cough*separateattackandreleasesliders*cough* 😉
Got a question.
You uploaded a few ‘samples’ where you demonstrate a new Breakaway preset.
I got Breakaway Audio Enhancer v1.30.02 installed on my machine (ofcourse 🙂 ).How do i set my current Breakaway?
Must i use the bypass button or use the reference setting or something else.
I mean, if i use Breakaway the sound is processed two times.You just press "Bypass" button in the Main Window. 🙂
For Adam:
[audio files removed]This is very very close to the final Motor City preset. Maybe even final. For now I’m calling it RC1; Release Candidate 1.
JesseG,
Downloaded the flacfile and carefully listened to it.
The overall sound is very good, no sudden drops on voice when the gitares come in.
Bass is also good not sloppy and no agc uprush…Very, very nice preset….
[quote author=”JesseG”]If you go into QuickTime settings, under MIME-types… disable everything that isn’t .qt or .mov 😉 and it *should* stop over-riding your browser’s built in handling methods. I’ve always hated QuickTime for doing that.[/quote]
Nice one and I agree, Quicktime shouldn’t do that as default! 😈
Jesse,
You’ve piqued my interest on this one.
First observations… Nice and open. Release seemed to be working a little too fast. Back end seems much more ballsier than in other presets…good for the most part, but I could hear it choking the sound every once in awhile while the multiband caught up (read below for my ironically contradicting statement). I could hear a few parts in the Paramore song where it seemed like the AGC was working slightly behind the curve, but I think that could be easily fixed.
On the subject of the backend…I’m glad to hear this preset limit the shit out of sudden bursts of loudness. I know a lot of people say that the newer Orbans over-choke the audio when it exceeds a certain threshhold, but I’d rather see the backend control the audio if the multiband can’t. I’ve noticed that a few presets in Breakaway will cause the rollercoaster effect on loudness bursts, but this one seems to tame the dynamics well (as you advertised 😉).
My only suggestion…make the release globally slower. Honestly, I would love to see a preset where the Speed slider controls 75% attack and only 25% release. Does that make sense? For example, I am using Cleveland right now (love the midrange for the modern rock format), and the Speed slider is at 67. The attack works swell at that speed, but the release is way too fast. Between 40-50, the release is in its sweet spot, but the attack suffers. Maybe make a ratio of 3:2…every 3 ticks of speed increases attack by 3 and release by 2.
Well done.
Adam
[quote author=”AdamH”]Release seemed to be working a little too fast. Back end seems much more ballsier than in other presets…good for the most part, but I could hear it choking the sound every once in awhile while the multiband caught up [..] I could hear a few parts in the Paramore song where it seemed like the AGC was working slightly behind the curve, but I think that could be easily fixed.[/quote]
The release of the multiband is actually very slow already. The gain increases are because of the AGC so the compromise is made between the AGC being "behind the curve" and AGC "release [..] working a little too fast". Where it’s at now, it’s hard to tell that it’s gain rushing. With a slower AGC release it actually sounded MORE like gain rushing… one of the fun paradigms that Breakaway allows for.Either way, if I slowed down the releases of the multiband, the AGC would have to also go slower to prevent odd dynamics, and the loudness consistency of dynamic to slammed music would be lost. To prevent that, the attacks would have to be slower too and then you have the fun stuff during loudness bursts.
In the case of the backend… it’s barely even doing any work at all in this preset. 🙂
[quote author=”AdamH”]On the subject of the backend…I’m glad to hear this preset limit the shit out of sudden bursts of loudness. I know a lot of people say that the newer Orbans over-choke the audio when it exceeds a certain threshhold, but I’d rather see the backend control the audio if the multiband can’t. I’ve noticed that a few presets in Breakaway will cause the rollercoaster effect on loudness bursts, but this one seems to tame the dynamics well (as you advertised 😉).[/quote]
Believe it or not… those loudness bursts are being controlled BEFORE the multiband section. This preset breaks all of the molds man, let me tell ya. 8) It isn’t possible to do this with any other processor. Rusticity and Rustonium also have similar methods of controlling loudness bursts, but Motor City takes it to the extreme of what’s possible considering how slow the multiband section is. The slowness of the multiband section is the "ballsiness" you’re hearing.The AGC can sometimes release quite a bit faster than the multiband. In any other processor, this is a huge "no no" for audio quality, and it’s painfully obvious when people are doing it. Breakaway’s AGC/WB1/2 (WB = Wideband Compressor) architecture is what makes Motor City even possible at all. Of course the two WBs are far from your typical every-day compressor. 😉
[quote author=”AdamH”]My only suggestion…make the release globally slower. Honestly, I would love to see a preset where the Speed slider controls 75% attack and only 25% release. Does that make sense? For example, I am using Cleveland right now (love the midrange for the modern rock format), and the Speed slider is at 67. The attack works swell at that speed, but the release is way too fast. Between 40-50, the release is in its sweet spot, but the attack suffers. Maybe make a ratio of 3:2…every 3 ticks of speed increases attack by 3 and release by 2.[/quote]
Slower releases would sound more gain rushy believe it or not. I played with the AGC a lot on this front, and that alone being slower sounded more processed. The way around this of course is to increase the AGC’s gating and freezing (two gate types), but that causes more "jumpiness", sounding gain rushy there too.The presets don’t have any control over what the Main Window "meta controls" do to them. Those control algorithms are the same for every preset, so far as I know.
[quote author=”AdamH”]Well done.[/quote]
It’s appreciated.
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