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  • #1155
    rocco123456
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    Hello Leif…..!!!!
    Do you remember me…..?? and D-MPx..???

    In first of all….a lot of compliments for Omnia9 or breakaway for rich persons..!!!!
    I think you have realized a dream for radio-people and technicians,,,!!!!
    Thank you…!!

    Well…I have an idea…!!!…tell me if will we realize it!!!!????!!!!
    Why you don’t add an ip multicast output to breakaway …so we can transmit D-MPX via ip-stl and then in the transmitting site we demodulate it and transmit in Digital-MPX on FM…??!!!

    Is clear for you…???

    example::

    Pc(with breakway-without any soundcard-but with ip out(ethernet board))–>>>>>
    >>>>>>wifi link >>>>>>>>>wifi link>>>>>>>>>pc(with a sort of breakway client with ip in and with a soundcard with digital out)>>>>>>>>fm tx(with digital in).

    Is it clear…?????

    now the pc exists…..the breakway exists….wifi link exists….fm tx(D-MPX) exist…!!!!…..we exists…….!!!!….soundcard exists…. is it possible realize the rest……???????

    Sorry for my humorism….but i think that we realize it….it could be e new-fm standard..!!

    i’m very enthusiast…

    Thank you..

    Grazie

    Ciao,,,

    Rocco..

    #12380
    Modulator
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    Well, i don’t know why would you need to have the BBP at the studio, if you can have it at the transmitter site. It’s also easier to transmit good quality stereo audio to the transmitter site than the whole multiplex losslessly! 192khz 16bit takes more bandwidth than 2x 44.1kHz 16bit, and that can be even reduced by some fancy audio codec!

    What about reliability of the STL? When a nice fluffy cloud comes to block the WiFi, then you’re not even transmitting pilot nor RDS, just pure.. nothing! BBP at the transmitter site however solves this, and the only thing that is affected, is the program content =)

    #12381
    JesseG
    Member

    [quote author=”Modulator”]Well, i don’t know why would you need to have the BBP at the studio, if you can have it at the transmitter site. It’s also easier to transmit good quality stereo audio to the transmitter site than the whole multiplex losslessly! 192khz 16bit takes more bandwidth than 2x 44.1kHz 16bit, and that can be even reduced by some fancy audio codec!

    What about reliability of the STL? When a nice fluffy cloud comes to block the WiFi, then you’re not even transmitting pilot nor RDS, just pure.. nothing! BBP at the transmitter site however solves this, and the only thing that is affected, is the program content =)[/quote]
    I agree with this.

    Also rocco, please read about some of the upcoming features in Breakaway versions that are planned, in the status update topic (announced). You’ll see there is an option (additional charge) to have full remote control over BBP, as well as STL option (additional charge) for sending lossless audio to BBP across a network, with very robust connection.

    There is literally no reason at all to not have BBP at your transmitter, and as noted above (and a bunch of reasons I can add) it’s the best idea.

    #12382
    Boki
    Member

    For example ..

    I have 5GHz link with 2 Bullet’s5 and STL software. Two 48kHz 16bit Stereo streams goes trought it. It’s about 2×1.6Mbit troughtoutput. And it works very well.

    Only better next step would be to have FLAC 192kHz mono.. to send, so PC with processing software will be at studio and not to transmitter.
    Currently there is no software like that.
    I would like to see something like that. 🙂

    #12383
    Modulator
    Member

    Nice! Those Bullets (http://ubnt.com/bullet) look good, and seems to have good performance. Maybe I should have couple of those..

    I’m wondering that could my STL software written in Python manage with low latency..

    #12384
    Boki
    Member

    [quote author=”Modulator”]Nice! Those Bullets (http://ubnt.com/bullet) look good[/quote]
    I tryed almost ALL of ther products .. Bullet5 and Bullet5M are best. You can use antenna by your choice. Ground is good already trought antena’s connector, antenna and tower. This is important because LANs are very sensiteve in this units (not wlans)

    With two of these http://voltplus.co.rs/Antene/P-serija/P … 5535P.html i have one link at 50km and it’s very reliable!
    There many other good antenna manufacturers all over planet.

    #12385
    Leif
    Keymaster

    Exactly. If you’re gonna have a PC at the transmitter site anyway, do the stereo coding on that pc instead.

    It’s absolutely possible to transmit MPX over internet (The Omnia.9 remote does, and so will the future Breakaway remote) for monitoring, but there is no point in using it for broadcast, at this point.

    And, why would you want to multicast the MPX?

    #12386
    Boki
    Member

    [quote author=”Leif”]And, why would you want to multicast the MPX?[/quote]
    me?
    Because Processing pc will be in studio and not at transmitter site. At transmitter site can be good old Pentium III (i currently have rack server pc) with proper soundcard.
    This also enables to have remote and direct processor adjusting.

    #12387
    Leif
    Keymaster

    Nono, why would you want to *multicast* the signal?

    Look up Multicast on wikipedia if you don’t know what it means — it has very specific meaning, and is the opposite of what you want to do for an STL.

    #12388
    rocco123456
    Member

    Hello Leif….!!
    I want use multicast mode because in this way I transmit one only d-mpx stream and all rx in the same wifi-lan receive in same time the same stream…..!!

    If i transmit in unicast ,,I have make one stream for every receive point and so you have to make (Mbits D-Mpx) x (every rx site). In this way wifi-lan bandwith finishes..!!!!

    So in my opininion….you have add a multicast out to breakaway and than make an breakway client to install in every rx site…

    By videolan I can transmit and receive in multicast , video and audio…

    is possible this for you…😕???

    pc1[breakaway out d-mpx>>>vlc-in>ip out]>>>>>wi-fi(bullet)>>>>>wi-fi(bullet)>>>>pc2[ip-in>>>>vlc-out>>>>soundcard out]>>>>>> Fm TX..

    Thank you

    Rocco…

    #12389
    Leif
    Keymaster

    Oh, I see. Yes, it’s technically possible, but it’s easier to just run breakaway at each TX since you have a PC there anyway.

    ///Leif

    #12390
    Boki
    Member

    [quote author=”Leif”]Nono, why would you want to *multicast* the signal? [/quote]
    My bad.. i was thinking on Unicast ..but anyway if i have more then 1 RX sites i would better use multicast.

    #12391
    Modulator
    Member

    Ookay.. Sorry that I’m resurrecting this old thread, but there’s a question that has been popping up on my mind recently: Where is the free software based audio transmission? Edcast could evolve to create low latency (AAC-LD or CELT (from creators of Vorbis) ?), end-to-end link, or would it radiorio?

    I’m just a hobbyist really who doesn’t do real broadcasting nor have money/insanity to buy hardware encoders..
    But still! 8)

    #12392
    Dj Buik
    Member

    [quote author=”Modulator”]Ookay.. Sorry that I’m resurrecting this old thread, but there’s a question that has been popping up on my mind recently: Where is the free software based audio transmission? Edcast could evolve to create low latency (AAC-LD or CELT (from creators of Vorbis) ?), end-to-end link, or would it radiorio?[/quote]

    I think the latency is not much of an issue here. The audio link must be robust.
    Maybe with a failover line or something, so you no have a ‘dead air’ broadcasting.

    #12393
    Modulator
    Member

    [quote author=”Dj Buik”][quote author=”Modulator”]Ookay.. Sorry that I’m resurrecting this old thread, but there’s a question that has been popping up on my mind recently: Where is the free software based audio transmission? Edcast could evolve to create low latency (AAC-LD or CELT (from creators of Vorbis) ?), end-to-end link, or would it radiorio?[/quote]

    I think the latency is not much of an issue here. The audio link must be robust.
    Maybe with a failover line or something, so you no have a ‘dead air’ broadcasting.[/quote]

    True, but I can’t understand why couldn’t that be achieved with a software based solution? For example if you use a point-to-point WiFi-link as a primary path, you could additionally have an 3G modem which would receive lower quality stream from Internet, and thus being a failover line, so I think possibilities are endless.. Also, being a software, it would simplify both ends of transmission, broadcast processing and STL both in a same box (Breakaway!). Thus, if you have fixed private connection like fiber or copper, the only place of failure is most likely the PC.

    Also, do you know many stations which have an failover line? Here in Finland, we have this almost-nationwide station called NRJ (yes, originated from France), which has a transmitter near my home and is using a satellite based STL as a only program source. Okay, I’m from Finland, not the most advanced country in radio business, but still 😀 8)

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