more parameters in BBP asio

Guess this is as good an example as any how subjective processing can be. To my ears, the bass is overdriven, noticeably shoving the AGC down. It sounds to me like the final drive is cranked way up, because the highs are clipped to point of being painful to listen to (at least for me).

No offense, but if you were broadcasting this I’d have a hard time listening for more than a few minutes.

I suppose I’d also like more buttons to play with. Experience with CRL and Orban boxes made me feel like the builders thought they knew better than we did how to make a station sound. In the case of BBP however, I’ve never heard a processor sound this good out of the box, and there are plenty of ways to color it up a bit, short of having a knob for everything (which Leif sez is coming in the hardware version… very dangerous for some of us! ).

Hmmm, some interesting audio clips you have there? I’m liking the BBP ASIO + Marian Trace ones!

What power is that Rig that you built in the 3U black Rack mount chassis?

Also, I notice the photo of BBP+ on the laptop, is that Leif??

spl 9526-bbp asio audiofreak setting dance.mp3

The bass lacks punch big time. It’s partly because the SPL is making it too dense, and partly because you’re using phase tornado.

Phase tornado is NOT good. It was created to allow people to hear one of the aspects of the bad sound that a certain new 31-band processor has. It is destroying the phase relationships across the whole spectrum, which blurs the impact that the transients have… not to mention it makes all of the transients sound like lasers. Even piano.

What preset are you using, and what "Main Window" settings? There’s actually halfway impacting bass at 8:39 till 9:06 when the treble comes in, which tells me the adaptive bass clipping in the final clipper is getting over worked. In other words, you might have the final drive too high and/or have the other settings adjusted in a way that makes the effect too prominent. I’ll make some recommendations when I see your settings.

spl 9526-bbp asio audiofreak setting piraat.mp3

definitely a little too far on the final drive here, but hard to tell as much cos of how just plain wrong phase tornado sounds. now sure what preset this is either… it’s pumping a lot tho. not sure if that’s what you want, but the increase in bass from the SPL, and the total screw up of phase tornado, is making it pump even worse. the density on the treble is a bit much for my taste, but it is consistent which is nice to hear, but since the midrange is pumping it makes it inconsistent and overall it sounds way way too thin. would also appreciate a screenshot of these settings.

orban8500 testaudiofreak.mpg

Did I mention that I like LEDs?

dance orban 8500.mp3

much less of a V shape. quite a bit more distortion, and less clarity up top… but i have to say it sounds better than your SPL/Tornado/Breakaway setup… because -A- it doesn’t have the SPL pushing the bass and treble WAY too far, and -B- the bass is clearer because there’s no tornado and less density before hand.

piraten orban 8500.mp3

also more balanced here, much less V shape. it’s not pumping like the way you have Breakaway set, and also more clear for all frequencies partly because of better midrange and mostly because there’s no crap-tornado. quite a bit more distorted on the vocals on that 2nd track.

at least just from listening, it sounds like what’s happening is Breakaway is having the potential to blow away the Orban (it does) but it’s not being allowed to do so because you’re applying bad processing (phase tornado) and too much processing (the SPL)

[quote author=”audiofreak”]I have no errors on the phase meter on the ntp with bbp[/quote]
That is not a "phase meter", it is a coherence meter which just measures L+R to L-R balances, and the integration time is slow enough where it won’t even catch much bass incoherence unless it’s constant and there’s nothing but bass. It’s more of an "average width" indicator than anything, if you ignore that "width" has way more to it than just L-R. 😉

Will be cool to hear your new samples though, hopefully minus the lasers too.