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Hi Guys, Leif,
I am a happy user of Breakaway Pro.
But I have problems with some tracks, for example Madonna’s Celebration.
To let you hear what I mean, here’s a download link:http://www.djmysa.com/download/testfile.zip
You hear a deep bass coming in, untill the high frequency sounds comes in. Then the bass completely disappears every now and then and causes a strange effect like the dj is playing with the bass gain.
I read this article (viewtopic.php?f=5&t=449) where Leif explains about pumping and clipping. But that opinion causes this strange behaviour in my sound I really dislike and listeners will too.
I tried other settings, but this behaviour remains, so it must have something to do with the way Breakaway works.Leif, is there a solution for this or can a setting be added to Breakaway that takes away this behaviour.
I love your product and thank God it only happens with few tracks, but at this moment I am a little disappointed en dissatified by this.Hope you can help me and probably more people with this. I suggest that everyone tries to play this song and see what happens on your system. These are my settings (streaming):
Regards and keep up the good work!
Pavaronnie
I’m pretty sure it’s the mastering of the song. I’ve noticed it too, but on a standard non-processed system.
Hi Pavaronnie!
Thank you for the screenshots, but you missed the one thing that may give a clue to what’s going on. Please resize the window so that you see the oscilloscope, and take some new screenshots, and let’s see what they look like.
Best,
///LeifHi Leif,
Thanx for the quick response.
I took some screenshots while the Madonna song was playing. You can get those here:http://www.djmysa.com/download/captures.zip
I noticed that more tracks show this behaviour especially when there a moments of high frequency sounds involved.
So according to that other topic I mentioned earlier this corresponds with what you were writing then back in March.
If this is really the case I hope there is a possibility to make a correction in Breakaway for that, because on the radio station it sounds lik there is no bass in the sound and when another song is played, there alloud bass….Regards,
Pavaronnie
[quote author=”Dr.J”]I’m pretty sure it’s the mastering of the song. I’ve noticed it too, but on a standard non-processed system.[/quote]
@ Dr. J
It might have something to do with the mastering of the song, but I have more tracks which have the same behaviour.
So I’m really wondering why this happens. I listened to the same song at an other radio station, they use other processing and then this behaviour is not there. So it must have something to do with Breakaway, it’s settings or whatever…Greetz,
Pavaronnie
Hi Pavaronnie!
Okay, I’ve played the original track through BBP with your settings, and I must say, to my ears this is way over the top. It’s too much processing, too much clipping, too much everything — except for dynamics and headroom, of which there isn’t enough.
It sounds much better at Final Drive 0, Bass Boost off.
The answer to what’s going on is apparent if you look at the oscilloscope.
Using Final Drive +0.0 and Bass Boost off, the waveform is already looking like this:
My question to you is, where exactly would do you want the processor to put the extra loudness AND bass you’re asking for with Final Drive +1.5 and Bass Boost +15? 🙂
What you’re hearing is probably the Adaptive Bass Clipper desperately trying to avoid audible distortion, which is with all certainty present on the stations you’re comparing to. If you don’t mind audible distortion but really want more bass, you might want to try the Twente preset in the latest version, which actually disables the adaptive bass clipper, for more bass at the expense of the possibility of distortion during heavy bass.
Best regards,
///Leif///Leif
Hi Leif,
If I play the same song with all the settings at 0.
The same behaviour is there. Indeed I would like to have a big bottom-like bass. So this bass-clipper you are talking about, would that be the answer? Is it possible to add a setting for that in Breakaway?Or may I request an extra CHR preset, with no bass clipper in it? That would solve my problem immediately and gives me room for extra bass and let’s me keep the CHR preset, which I like very much.
Breakaway is a version where we cannot do all setting on our own, so we must ask our Processing God for one extra setting or preset 😆
Greetz,
Pavaronnie
I actually didn’t hear the problem with the standard settings, could you send me the exact version of the song you’re playing, along with a time inside the song where it happens?
Also, you didn’t really answer my question.. Look at the waveform — you can see that even with this adaptive bass clipper enabled, the bass on the output signal is taking up ALL the space.. It’s going all the way out to the edge..
So, if you want to more bass, where do we put it?
I mean, when I look at that oscilloscope, it looks full to me — it doesn’t look like there’s room for anything else! Or, am I missing some empty space somewhere? You know we can’t go outside the edge, that’s overmodulation. 🙂
Also, if the bass is taking up all the space already, what do we do when more treble comes in?
Best,
///LeifWhen I first looked at those settings, the two things that struck me were the final drive and bass boost settings.
😯
I can’t imagine running BBP that extreme. Every processor has "that song" that might cause it to lose composure. I really haven’t heard BBP perform obviously poorly on anything yet. 🙂
Indeed. I’m really looking forward to hearing WHERE exactly he wants me to put that extra bass 🙂.
///Leif
Hi Guys,
Obviously there was a lot wrong with my settings. Leif, you confinced me to let me take a look at the screenshot.
Then I indeed noticed that the the bass took up all the space. I changed some settings and it sounds much better right now. What does the bass shape do exactly?Anyway, problem for 90% solved. Thanx for the help and enjoy your holiday. What’s your destination?
Greetz,
Pavaronnie
Hi Pavaronnie,
in this post is explained the Bass Shape filter:
Greetings from Italy.
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