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Howdy!
I know, I’ve been saying "hopefully next week" ever since the meetdag. However, I have been making steady progress. For example, yesterday I finally found and fixed a long-standing issue with with ASIO code which caused certain ASIO drivers to crash (for example the usb-audio.com low latency driver, and drivers based on it like PreSonus).
So, it’s coming. Just trying to find the bugs before release, so that you don’t have to. 🙂
Also, our code signing certificate expired. Pain in the neck — they only last for a year. Working on getting a new one.
///Leif
any update on a Mac version of Breakaway live? i SO can’t stand PCs.
Microsofts updates caused the recording of my June 12 show to be so screwed up, it couldn’t air on RadioDanz this week. I missed a damn show because of Vista updates running in the background from Microsoft.
The Mac is SUCH a better platform..if I only had a hardware version of Breakaway Live (that would be the ideal fix) or a Mac version, I’d never touch the PC again.
DjSmooth, I fully agree with you for the MacOs stabillity & quality but…we are on a M$ world 🙁
BBP run also fine on a iMac (intel version) 😉A hardware version of BBP….
I remeber a post from Leif for some hardware specification "limits" about BBP on a PC.
And the key for me to build a stable system only for BBP was the Solid State Disk that Leif suggest.
With the half price of the cheapper iMac (we need the built-in monitor) you can do something like this:
[attachment=1:at5nvpmp]IMG_2687.JPG[/attachment:at5nvpmp]With an 32G SSD, Core2Duo E8400 (3Ghz),2GB RAM, the system with XP only is very stable and very fast.
With BBP and RTA running the max. CPU usage is only 2% !!!
[attachment=0:at5nvpmp]IMG_2689.JPG[/attachment:at5nvpmp]The case (half PC) is a Shuttle D10 that comes with built-in touch screen.
Except the first time during installation, never plug again keyboard/mouse.
All settings of BBP & RTA can handle from the touch screen!
For updates,etc you can use Remote Desktop Connection or VNC etc..Leif, it’s time for business 😉
As the topic is "Next release status"
, Leif, is it possible to have on the next release a L/R Pan/Balance at the output of BBP under
L/R Ref Level?I really like the Shuttle PCs — had a core 2 duo SD32G2 as my main pc for a couple of years, before getting a quad core.
However, while I like the design of the D10, they screwed up badly on the specs on that one. I mean, it’s supposed to be a HTPC.. Yet it has only VGA on board, no HDMI, no DVI. It has the cheapest Realtek soundchip (ALC662) which has no digital out and no 192k support.
Well, you can always upgrade, right?
I wish! No PCIe x16 slot, and no PCI slot. Only a single PCIe x1 slot.. So, for video cards, you’re shit outta luck. For sound cards, you basically have a choice of ASUS Xonar DX, and… uh.. No, can’t think of any others. And sure, that’s a pretty nice sound card, but it’s not pro.
I’m hoping Shuttle will release a sequel with decent specs. Then I could actually start recommending it. 🙂 As it is, it looks nice, but what are you supposed to do with it as a HTPC?
Very nice photos though, George 🙂. What sound card are you using with it?
Here’s one I have:
BBP L/R output panning… WHY??? 🙂 What are you trying to do?
///Leif
D10 main use is for HTPC with dual view and for this you need a good VGA PCIe x1.
The bad think is that the only internal upgrade you can do is to use the one and only PCIe x1 slot
for a VGA (if you wish to use D10 as HTPC) or to add a sound card in my case.A problem for me was to select between internal or external (usb) soundcard…and you have right, the only soundcard
that also know for PCIe X1 is the Asus Xonar D2.
I have a very good experience with the Xonar (PCI version) card as I use it at my daily PC almost 2 years now.
This is not a pro audio card but have very good specifications,clear and crisp sound and supports 192K.D10 works 2 months now (without any shutdown/restart yet) as a "hardware" version of BBP processor.
Xonar D2 takes the audio signal via S/PDIF IN from the audio mixer and after BBP processing goes out from the same
audio card using the S/PDIF OUT.
The analog output of Xonar is connected back to the audio mixer for preview/monitoring while the digital S/PDIF out is connected to the streaming pc that use an E-mu 0404 PCI.D10 has connected only power cable, S/PDIF In/Out cables and everything can adjusted from the touch screen!
…A small, "state of the art box" that creates a unique sound 😀
[edit] L/R output panning: to balance the difference that stereo expanders sometimes create..
Hi George!
For HTPC with Dual View you need VGA PCIe x16, not x1. There are x1 VGA cards, and they are a specialty item, much more expensive as well as much slower. If they’re putting a slot in for people to put a video card in (which they must have, since they didn’t include hdmi, dvi or other tv out), then making that slot x1 can only be viewed as a grave mistake.
At newegg.com (big US-based online computer store) I see 457 PCIe x16 cards, and 2 (TWO!!) x1 cards. The cheapest x1 card is $99.. I wonder how many cents shuttle saved on not putting in an x16 socket.. In fact, they could have put an x16 socket in and only wired it up as x1 (afaik the PCIe standard fully supports this!) and you would have been able to use a standard x16 video card. It’s mindboggling to me that they didn’t at least do that.
And yes — for HTPC, you’ll want dual view as well as digital audio out (for surround).. You can’t have both with this machine.
Xonar D2 is indeed PCI, you’d have to get the Xonar D2X (or DX) which are PCIe. The cheaper one works just fine, I have two of them 🙂.
If you’re running BBP this way (with monitoring and mpx out), you will love BBP ASIO, which will give you true low latency monitoring in this setup 🙂.
Stereo expanders will not create that difference unless there is already a difference at the input. What you need is an auto-level-balancing input plug-in, not modifying the output post clipping! I’m actually planning to write an auto-balancing input plug-in (a friend asked for it already, and it seems like a good idea) so that hopefully won’t be too long.
I think I’ll make it ITU-based, since I have that code already. Oh the joys of a reusable code base. 😉
Best,
///LeifHi Leif !!
after drinking a lot of ouzo under the Greek sun very close to the sea today, I hope that I can write a "clear" post 🙄 !!!
I bought this pc (D10) for a specific reason and this was not for HTPC.
I agree with you that the specs of this pc are only for a low-end HTPC (you can order the SPDIF/OUT extension for the board) and have dual view but for the reason that I and think all we want is a very good solution.I was very close to buy a hardware processor (not an expensive brand/series) but when tryed BBP for a week
I was so impress from the results and I decide to "build" a pc specific for BBP.
One pc for each job 😉With an SSD the system is very stable,quiet and easy managed without keyabord/mouse.
But I think also that with this CPU and with so low CPU usage as you see on the pics, we can use the same pc as a complete processor/streaming pc (with BBP&RTA + 2x128kbps streams wma/mp3 and 1x 32-64kbps AAC+stream) the max. CPU will be at 35% !Another plan should be a Radio Automation+Audio processing pc with the BBP in the backround and the Radio Automation
software in the frond (don’t forget the touch panel 😉 )Ok, I’m not a reseller of Shuttle, this is my side of view and maybe help anyone.
As Xonar support ASIO, I’m one of them that I waiting for the next release…!!
Auto-Level-Balancing input plug-in?
It’s time for work Leif..
Leave the words and "burn" the keyboard!! Thank you for one more time for this amazing application and for the great support !!
Regards,
GeorgeThis thread game me an idea for my studio setup.
I’m now running the output of my Dj mixer into a sound card on a PC running Breakaway Live and then the pipelines goes out of a second sound card on that PC and into my Mac where my show will be recorded.
I still think it would be cool to have an actual Breakaway Live "device" that isn’t a PC, but this should work for now.
Hi DjSmooth,
You don’t need a second audio card to do this. You can use just one card to for a pc as Audio Processing unit.
A "BBP Device" hear to me as the perfect solution!
A small device with a touch screen or with arrows/buttons to navigate in the menus…
I think with Linux in the backround should be very stable.Hey Leif, as the development team working currently on Mac platform I believe that is the
correct timing for a Unix base implementation 😉Already had two sound cards in the system so it was very easy to just point the incoming to one card and the outgoing to the other.
As long as my data stream flowing through that PC doesn’t get interrupted, I’ll have great recordings.
One big hint, don’t buy the asus xonar D2X(the expensive one). It supports ASIO, but in my opinion it doesn’t deserve that name on the package. It does not give you the low latency required for monitoring. I tried it in several pc’s, and I’m not the only one complaining. According to Leif the cheap version works fine, so buy that one in stead.
Actually, it seems I have to officially withdraw my recommendation of the ASUS Xonar DX!
I’ve used the card a lot, and it has worked great for me — but I only ever used the output.
Running with the ASIO driver, output is flawless, down to buffer size 96 (2ms output latency)! I’ve used it both for MPX (Breakaway Broadcast) and for 5.1 output for a different project. Worked flawlessly — but at no time did I ever use the Line In jack. I always fed audio through some other method, such as my own proprietary Virtual Audio Link protocol (for uncompressed audio over TCP/IP).
…until today, when a customer asked whether the latency on this card is any good, before he buys it. So, I figured I’d just hook up a mic and headphones and see how low the latency really is.
And the result is: crap!
Even though the output latency is only 2ms, the input at those rates is completely garbled. In fact I had to increase latency to 40ms before the input cleared up! I have NEVER seen an ASIO driver behave in this way before, so I never would have dreamed this would be the case.
I also did a firmware update on the card and installed a newer driver. And tried the card in a different computer. And tried another card in yet another computer. Same exact problem.
So, my recommendation for this card is officially withdrawn — there’s no way to make it work!
So, my experience actually mirrors Diekgait’s with the more expensive Xonar D2X, which means BOTH of them are crap.
My recommendation of ESI Juli@ and M Audio AP192 still stands though. 😉
///Leif
Hi Leif, A month ago I running BBP Asio 0.90.95, XP sp3 and Xonar DX with the latest manufacturer drivers (5.12.8.1861), and I must say that everything is working wonderfully, with low latency and excellent stereo separation. You should check it out now with the new drivers and the latest version of the firmware. I just keep my dear EMU0202 in my closet because I must say, the Xonar DX works perfectly!
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