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Hi Folks,
Like everyone else here I can’t wait for the day that Leif gets the time to code and release a stereo enhancer plug-in for Breakaway Live and Breakaway Broadcast Processor. 🙂
I have tried Spartacus for a while in the chain and have read mixed reviews about it.
Today I tried the following in the chain:
6dB Attenuator
Stereo Tool 3.40 Winamp Plugin ("Increased Stereo" Preset Only – NO DOUBLE PROCESSING)
Impact/Clunk (Clunk 1 Slam 2)
Bass-EFX (Level 2)
Breakaway Live / Breakaway Broadcast ProcessorNote – for the "Increased Stereo" Preset no double processing is occurring.
With this preset it seems to be working as a stereo enhancer only.In the meantime until Leif gets the time to code a stereo enhancer plug-in, which sounds better in the chain:
1 – Spartacus?
2 – Stereo Tool 3.40 Winamp Plugin ("Increased Stereo" Preset Only)?Everyone’s comments and suggestions are welcome… 🙂
Best regards,
Conor HylandNow, i’m using Spartacus, but I’ll try Stereo Tool when I’ll have the time…
So, I’m waiting for a stereo enhancer coded by Leif…
Wait & See…Conor,
I have StereoTool 3.40 but I didn’t know it was a DSP. I thought it was just a stand alone.
Also, can you put Spartacus directly into BBP or Live?
I found Spartacus and downloaded it when it came up in discussion before and someone said it was a VST plugin (needed a VST host app). I took it to one of our studios to try it in one of our DAWs which accepts VSTs but it didn’t recognise it as a VST plugin. Someone tells me it might be the old VST standard.
I’d liked to have heard it.
Are you running from your playout system to Winamp then to BBP (Live)?
Scott
Hi Scott,
[quote author=”ScottyJames”]I have StereoTool 3.40 but I didn’t know it was a DSP. I thought it was just a stand alone.[/quote]
You can download a winamp plug-in as well here:
http://www.stereotool.com/download/
Stick it in the chain after the Attenuator, it doesn’t really matter where.Just make sure you test it as a "Stereo Effect" Preset only – otherwise you will be "DOUBLE PROCESSING" and that’s not good! 😉
I’m testing it under the "Increased Stereo" Preset for the last day or so…[quote author=”ScottyJames”]Also, can you put Spartacus directly into BBP or Live?[/quote]
Yes you can! 🙂
Download this VST Winamp Bridge here:
http://www.winamp.com/plugins/details/146317
Stick it in the chain after the Attenuator, again it doesn’t really matter where.
You can then load Spartacus from the VST Winamp Bridge.
And your good to go! 😉[quote author=”ScottyJames”]Someone tells me it might be the old VST standard. I’d liked to have heard it.[/quote]
Not sure if it’s the old VST standard or the new VST standard, but it works with Breakaway Live / Breakaway Broadcast Processor! 😉
[quote author=”ScottyJames”]Are you running from your playout system to Winamp then to BBP (Live)?[/quote]
No, I run Jazler Radio Simplepack’s main output directly to Breakaway Live / Breakaway Broadcast Processor using Breakaway Pipeline 1.
As Leif explained before, even though the Effect Plug-ins in Breakaway Live / Breakaway Broadcast Processor appear in the software itself, they are actually chained one after the other before the clip detector, which is before the input of the processor!
So my current chain:
6dB Attenuator
StereoTool 3.40 ("Increased Stereo" Preset)
Impact/Clunk (Clunk 1 Slam 2)
Bass-EFX (Level 2)
Breakaway Live / Breakaway Broadcast ProcessorWould actually look like this chained as individual hardware units:
Jazler Radio Simplepack > 6dB Attenuator > Stereo Tool 3.40 ("Increased Stereo" Preset) > Impact/Clunk (Clunk 1 Slam 2) > Bass-EFX (Level 2) > Clip Detector > Breakaway Input etc etc…
Remember I’m just testing StereoTool 3.40 as a Stereo Enhancer / Expander.
To me Breakaway Live / Breakaway Broadcast Processor sound miles better than a 10 band processor like StereoTool 3.40! 😀Best regards,
Conor HylandConor,
Thanks for those links. I downloaded the StereoTool VST plugin and tried it in one of our DAWs and it worked. Said it was Unregistered. I’ll install that VST Bridge and try out that Stereo Enhance setting with StereoTool you suggested in Breakaway. Does that mean I can use any of my other Waves Plugins (VST versions) in that Bridge too?
I’ll also try that Spartacus plugin as well.
Thanks for the explanation of the flow of your signal from Jazler through to BBP/Live.
Although Leif has explained why the attenuation is needed at the input I’ve not come to terms at understanding it yet. Mainly as it doesn’t increase the energy but still causes and increase in levels. It’ll come clear when I play some more over this weekend.
Scott
Aww, but it’s so easy 😉.
Imagine a squarewave.
Then, run this squarewave through a high pass filter.Energy gets removed.
However, it also starts tilting, and… the peak level goes up!It’s that easy!
Try it yourself in adobe audition. Start with 60hz square at -6dB level, then highpass that to 30hz with one of the "scientific" filters such as butterworth.
Now, I’m not saying Bass-EFX is a high pass filter. It’s certainly not. This just happened to be first answer that popped into my head when I asked myself how to explain this as clearly as possible. 🙂
Peak controlled waveforms are very fragile, whether they’re coming from distorted data on a CD, or carefully clipped audio coming out of Breakaway. Any processing will cause overshoots, and those overshoots can cause the input clipping — thus we must attenuate, to bring the audio out of the danger zone.
Best,
///LeifHi Scott,
The VST plug-in version of StereoTool 3.40 is not free – so to use it on one of your DAWs as a VST plug-in you will need to buy it…
However if you use it with Breakaway Live / Broadcast Processor you can download the Winamp version DSP plug-in – that version is free for what we will be using it for! 8)
You will only need to use the VST Bridge to load Spartacus in Breakaway Live / Broadcast Processor…
I assume you can use this VST Bridge for any VST to DSP plug-in conversion! 🙂
I have only used it with Spartacus though… 😉Best regards,
Conor HylandLeif,
[quote author=”Leif”]Aww, but it’s so easy 😉. [/quote]It’s not the way you’re explaining it, it’s just me comprehending the concept without trying it. I’ll explore it more through this week and try what you detailed and I am sure it’ll all come clear to me. 🙂
Conor,
[quote author=”Conor Hyland”]However if you use it with Breakaway Live / Broadcast Processor you can download the Winamp version DSP plug-in – that version is free for what we will be using it for! 8) [/quote]I finally sorted out that I had downloaded the VST one when I saw it, so I downloaded the DSP version to check it out in Breakaway.[quote author=”Conor Hyland”]You will only need to use the VST Bridge to load Spartacus in Breakaway Live / Broadcast Processor…[/quote]Thanks, I downloaded the VST Bridge and have been playing around with Spartacus. How do you make it change from Default to Heavy or Crazy (I think the 2 other settings are)? Sometimes it will change and sometimes not and I can’t figure out what I do that makes the changes settings come into affect. When you make a change do you have to hit Reload in Breakaway? I did get Crazy to come into affect once and it was .. crazy but it took me some time to get it to go back to Default setting.
Spartacus seems to be enhancing the top end of the transients and in some instances it really makes things in the mix stand out more.
I have played around a little with the StereoTool DSP but haven’t compared them in any way yet.
What Preset are you using with the settings you detailed in the first post in this thread?
Scott
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