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August 14, 2013 at 8:36 am #1437kniggetMember
For some reason, BBP is saying no rds pilot absent, yet RDS still works perfectly !
Any ideas?
August 14, 2013 at 4:50 pm #13647didacParticipantI have the same problem, clean WinXP SP3 with VAC and RDS works fine, but Breakaway indicates "absent".
I’ve checked a thousand times Airomate settings.
August 15, 2013 at 9:43 am #13648kniggetMemberGlad you said that – my next plan of action was to try it on XP (I’m currently testing it on Win7 64bit). My first thought was cos I was using crappy onboard audio so changed to fresh install and an EMU0202.
Strange cos I’ve been using it on XP before with no problems.
September 27, 2013 at 7:48 am #13649yorkie98ParticipantHi Guys,
The RDS pilot being referred to here is the 19Khz sync pilot. You obviously don't have this turned on in Airomate. If you can, you should. If you need help doing this, I'll guide you through it.
RDS will work without this but it will work better if it's on.Yorkie98.
September 27, 2013 at 3:35 pm #13650kniggetMemberPlease guide Yorkie – Win7, Realtek High Def (but EMU 0202 has the same results)
September 27, 2013 at 8:12 pm #13651yorkie98ParticipantHi,
The PC I used for this demo is Windows XP but this makes no difference to what you need to do.
Also this is not an active broadcast PC, I am using a very old unregistered demo version of BPP on this machine just for this demo so some of the menu layout in Breakaway might be slightly different from the version you are using.You'll need to be into the menu where you can see your RDS level and Gain setting in Breakaway.
OK, so first of all, click 'setup' on your Airomate and select the RDS tab. Set the RDS level to 8% Don't worry if this seems wrong for now, you find later this is correct. At this stage the RDS level (If Breakaway RDS gain is set to 0.00dB) will match Airomate output at 8%, this is fine for now. If RDS gain is not 0.00dB, set it to this now. Message will show for now 'Pilot Absent'.
Click 'Save settings'Now in Airomate, move to the Synchronization tab which is under Audio and set the first box to Enable, then set the level to 10%. This is not critical but 10% works just fine. This sync tone does not get sent through your audio/mpx chain, it is just used as a reference to synchronize to.
It should not matter if you have the sync output channel set to 1 or 2 but if one does not work, try the other. As long as you have the pipeline channel setting set to 2(mix) on the Breakaway I/O settings, this should work on either.
Click 'Save Settings'.The sync should now work and look like the pic below. You should also notice that within a few seconds, the RDS level decreases to our target level of 4%.
Just to demonstrate why this is advantageous, I have photographed a scope trace with the sync on and the sync off.
It's important to remember that the RDS and Stereo are both working fine in both cases but it will be using a bit less spectrum when in sync, you will see why.Firstly, sync on.
As you can see, the larger wave and the smaller wave are following each other along nicely, its nice and neat and tight. This is the 19khz wave and the 57khz wave synced together.
Now I will show you the result when sync is turned off..
As you can see now, it's a mess and the scope is much more full, this is your spectrum being wasted. The waves are not in sync and it's not efficient. Still working but using more precious Khz modulation than when in sync.
Hope this helps,
Yorkie98.
September 28, 2013 at 1:29 pm #13652kniggetMemberSorted – was my audio routing (Airomate option) that was problem.
Thanks for the pointer
September 29, 2013 at 11:17 am #13653yorkie98ParticipantNo problem, glad you got it sorted.
🙂December 15, 2013 at 8:44 pm #13654gmatsirasMemberHi, i have the same problem and i followed all your settings and i have still external pilot absent. Rds works yet!!! Pipeline 2 set to 192khz
I am missing somethingJune 3, 2014 at 3:32 pm #13655Wouter KMemberSorry for kicking this topic, but I thought it was better if you guys could see the example right away.
I kinda have the same problem as the TS, but with my setup RDS pilot goes absent after a few hours of playing.
It starts with a sort of crackling sounds which becomes louder and then RDS pilot goes absent and audio is a mess 🙁
Edit: Also different from TS, after pilot going absent, RDS isnt working on the tuner and, as mentioned, audio is a complete mess
I have used these settings:
In the Airomate Settings, Synchronization page:
Enable the synchronization channel.
Set Frequency to 19000hz
Set Level to 50.0%.
Set Waveform to Sine.In the Airomate Settings, RDS page:
Enable RDS.
Set Level to 50%.
Set Frequency to Automatic.As advised here: http://www.claessonedwards.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=58&Itemid=1029
Am I doing it wrong? Do I need yorkie98's settings?
My PC setup:
AMD Athlon 64 x2 4200+
4GB RAM memory
ESI Juli@ soundcard
Clean Windows XP install
Breakaway Broadcast Processor ASIO v0.90.95
Airomate 2I live in Europe by the way (The Netherlands) so I have 50us Pre-Emphasis. Not sure if it matters but thought i'd mention it.
Can this be related to my RDS settings? Or is my PC not fast enough/other issue.
Thank you so much in advance for helping!
July 2, 2014 at 11:48 am #13656yorkie98Participant50% RDS level is too high. If setup is all correct (airomate in RDS only mode) then 8% RDS level gives 4% in BBP.
Also, sometimes swapping the RDS and sync channels around can make the difference.
Here is a picture how to get RDS only mode.You might also need to try different settings on the RDS input of BBP in the I/O settings. I usually used 2 channel (mix) and if you follow my method above, everything should work fine.
If you are using Windows 7, don't forget to set properties of the relevant pipeline to 192Khz.July 6, 2014 at 4:30 pm #13657Wouter KMemberThank you for replying 🙂
I've solved the problem with the crackles/glitches, after some more research on the internet I found that any other devices installed on the computer can cause problems with the soundprocessing.
I deleted the LAN driver, turned onboard audio and a few other things off in the BIOS, and used your settings for Airomate shown above.
RDS pilot in Breakaway at 0db gain is 4% so thats fine I guess.We've had a succesfull 6 hour test broadcast, longer than the setup would ever work before, so I think we're there!
Thank you for your help, now I need to find someone nearby with a analyzer so I can calibrate the ESI Juli@.
July 24, 2014 at 4:21 pm #13658yorkie98ParticipantHey, no worries, glad you got it sorted.
For quick calibration, if you have a deviation meter on your TX, select 60Hz squarewave tone in BBP and udjust tilt until you get the lowest modulation reading, should be 50-55KHz then when you go back to music, you should be close to 75Khz, you may need to tweak to get modulation to 100%.
If you don't have an analyser yet, nor a mod meter, assuming your TX is DC straight, as ESI cards are pretty consistent, I can tell you the tilt setting is between 3 or 4, either will get you close to dead on.
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