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Is there any chance of getting a brick wall final limiter in the new version of Breakaway Live? I can control LIVE much better than BBP. I have tried all presets and I spent 6 months listening at various times under different conditions before deciding on the "oldies" preset with a few loudness and parametric tweaks. 😉 All my audio files are normalized to -10 and vary from MP3 to .WAV and I’ve got a few MP2 files.
All efforts to get 100% peak control of the audio seems to elude me. My settings are:
OLDIES
FINAL DRIVE +1.5
RANGE 90
POWER 18
SPEED 42
BASS BOOST +15
BASS SHAPE +42
HPF 45
BANDWIDTH FULLPlus I have tweaks on the loudness option, challenger on {JesseG’s settings} parametric EQ & effect plugins.
I’m not sure what you mean. Breakaway Live has a brick wall final limiter. Two, in fact — the speaker section has another brick wall final limiter too, which kicks in if you overdrive things in the EQ section without turning the gain down.
///Leif
Oh. Call me stupid! 😳 😳 😳
Well know I realize that the problems I’ve complained of are directly related to my lack of understanding when working with the speaker settings in LIVE. Is there a user manual, link or perhaps even a quick lesson on how those work? Is it possible to recommend a few settings? If I can get a decent preset then I can roll with refining it to get the sound I want. 🙂
The speaker settings are calibrated first by using a calibrated microphone (such as a Behringer ECM8000) and an RTA (such as Breakaway RTA, free app).
After that, you can adjust for taste (bass boost, upper midrange cut for loud volumes), but the first step is to actually measure. I don’t recommend adjusting the main EQs by ear — even i couldn’t get good results that way, not compared to what you do when you properly RTA the system.
The speaker controller has a final limiter as well, to avoid clipping if you overdrive the output (for example by boosting without also lowering the gain) but I don’t recommend hitting it other than in extreme cases.
///Leif
I am not sure if this is the proper topic or forum for this question, but here it goes.
Is there any way to select what the "max" dB value is for the limiter? I have an application where I would like to potentially use the limiter in BA Live (perhaps this is not the right product??), to help provide hearing protection (peak limiter) for people using audio generated from a computer where they don’t have control of the volume from the computer audio, and they don’t know what the level of the next sound is that might be coming next (think of a fast pace computer game with high-quality surround audio using high-end headsets). Sorry if my terminolgy is not correct since I am not an audio expert. I am just looking for a solution that would allow me to reproduce the highest-quality sounds (hearing someone’s footsteps near you in a quiet scene and suddenly hearing a load explosion nearby) while at the same time providing hearing protection to the users. I know there are some headsets out there that have built-in limiter to provide this type of functionality, but I am just trying to see if it could be accomplished with this product, while increasing the fidelity of the audio at the same time.
Thanks.jvaquerizo, try out the free demo. 🙂 it has roughly 55 years of advancements in broadcast audio processing than any basic limiter (or studio limiter) is going to have. It can not only do what you’re asking (the easy part), but it can do it transparently so that you don’t notice that it’s doing it (much more difficult).
there isn’t a 5.1 version yet, but the 2.0 versions can of course process Dolby Pro Logic II without messing up the phase response. a 5.1 version is planned though, some time later on in summer, or possibly some time in the fall if things get stretched out a bit. Leif is great about waiting until his product is perfect, instead of releasing buggy incomplete stuff based on a deadline. 8)
[quote author=”JesseG”]jvaquerizo, try out the free demo. 🙂 it has roughly 55 years of advancements in broadcast audio processing than any basic limiter (or studio limiter) is going to have. It can not only do what you’re asking (the easy part), but it can do it transparently so that you don’t notice that it’s doing it (much more difficult).
there isn’t a 5.1 version yet, but the 2.0 versions can of course process Dolby Pro Logic II without messing up the phase response. a 5.1 version is planned though, some time later on in summer, or possibly some time in the fall if things get stretched out a bit. Leif is great about waiting until his product is perfect, instead of releasing buggy incomplete stuff based on a deadline. 8)[/quote]
JesseG, thanks for your quick reply. I have the BA Live demo installed and it is working fine. The question that I had posted was to find out if and how I could change the settings for the "limiter", since I have some basic customer specifications that require me to set the max dB value coming our of the headsets to about 84dBA (but it could also be required to be at 81dBA). This is why I am asking about if and how to configure this (if it can be done). Sorry for the complicated reply, but since there is no documentation (that I have seen) and I am not an audio expert, I need to ask.
Thanks.
[quote author=”jvaquerizo”]set the max dB value coming our of the headsets to about 84dBA (but it could also be required to be at 81dBA).[/quote]
If you have a way to measure this from the output of the audio card, then just adjust the "Volume" in Breakaway Live until it’s peaking at the dBA you wish (although getting it close in the actual soundcard master output levels might result in better signal to noise), and then pick a preset (and tweak it) that gives you an appropriate density and average loudness. Compensate for any slight peak dBA change if required.
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