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[quote author=”JesseG”]
And a final note… Apple doesn’t give a crap about the audio scene anymore despite their buying Emagic and partnering with Apogee Digital… case in point, the new MacBook Pros don’t even have Firewire on them. Sort of crapping in the face of Apogee, and everyone that uses a Firewire converter of any make or model… for probably a mere $5 more profit per machine if that. Nice, Apple. 😉[/quote]If I remember correctly, Apple created the FireWire interface and they still use it on all their MacBook Pro’s, including their newest batch (FireWire 800 to be exact).
http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/features.html
"You’ll find two USB 2.0 ports and a FireWire 800 port for connecting faster peripherals."
Check your facts.
Before you slam Scratch Live..have you actually used it in a club setting?
[quote author=”Dr.J”]If I remember correctly, Apple created the FireWire interface and they still use it on all their MacBook Pro’s, including their newest batch (FireWire 800 to be exact).[/quote]
It was the regular MacBook I guess I was thinking about. Apple coined the term FireWire, but it’s actually known as IEEE 1394, and I’m somehow doubting they created that and decided to make it an international standard. That’s so unlike Apple.[quote author=”DjSmoothOrl”]http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/features.html
"You’ll find two USB 2.0 ports and a FireWire 800 port for connecting faster peripherals."
Check your facts.[/quote]
Ah you’re right, it was the regular MacBook. I’m not exactly visiting Mac Rumors every day. I’m not into paying 3 times as much for the same (and better) hardware I can get anywhere else that is equally as capable of running OSX, Windows, Linux, or anything else x86/x64 compatible. Not to mention Apple’s long history of being anti-consumer after the sale.[quote author=”DjSmoothOrl”]Before you slam Scratch Live..have you actually used it in a club setting?[/quote]
I’m well aware of some of the issues that DJs are presented with while using TCV setups in a live situation… myself having used them, but also dealt with many others using them from my consulting for clubs, and contracting with the large-scale systems I used to own/operate… up to a 180 kwatt Turbosound Floodlight setup (basically a Funktion-One setup with way way higher performance).There’s a few things that can make the situation way better with pretty simple solutions. One is a small patcher box that a few different people have started selling for quickly patching in ANY converter for TCV use with a layout and labeling that’s actually more simple and understandable than Serato’s rear panel, not to mention way smaller.
Anyways… I’m not slamming Serato’s use at all. It’s quite usable. I’m simply stating that they have not only allowed themselves to become complacent, but have released gear that has progressively dropped in audio quality. It’s one thing to talk about marketing, market perception, etc… but many aspects of audio quality are objectively measurable things, and are un-effected by marketing, market perception, etc.
My issues with Apple and Serato are one in the same really. They both make great software, but then attempt to tie that to their own proprietary hardware that is WAY overpriced for what it is. Apple finally had to change to using hardware that the rest of the world was developing because it couldn’t keep up at all, but still kept the pricing like 3 times higher than the rest of the market. The savior (if you must use OSX) is that you can run it on tons of non-Apple-sold hardware. You’ll get way better hardware and support by buying a Lenovo & a copy of OSX, than bringing your hardware to a "genius" at an Apple store who can’t do anything when Apple’s draconian "no questions heard" return/replacement policies get in the way.
The best thing that could happen for Serato users would be if Rane (or some team of crackers) came up with a way to make it work with all converters. You wouldn’t be getting stuck with proprietary hardware that locks you into using their software too. Nor would you be paying $400 (let’s say the software should cost $139 fairly priced) for a converter that’s really deserving of a street price of $99 and probably costs $25 (if that) to make.
And don’t think it won’t happen either. The more popular Serato gets, and the more complacent Rane gets, the larger a target they make.
Look at Digidesign’s ProTools. A crack group just released a hardware emulator that allows you to use the latest ProTools HD with *ANY* converters, including full use of TDM plugins. I already know of someone that’s mixing two feature films right now, that’s been doing some of the "rough draft" setup work from his car, and while sitting on the beach… on his laptop.
This is exactly the kind of thing that complacent companies that think they have a market perception as being a "leader"… hate – they want to control what the consumer can do, instead of freeing the consumer to work the way THEY want to work. And the control isn’t about control. It’s about making more money, and it’s done at the expense of the what the consumer wants.
Sorry to rant like this, but it’s not directed at you… just sharing my mind… and dreaming, perhaps in vein, of an ideal purely-consumer-driven world for commercial software and hardware.
back to Apple and Serato for a second..
As a working club Dj, you couldn’t pay me to use anything but a Macbook Pro for hardware and Scratch Live for the Dj software. Know why? They’re reliable and they do exactly what I need them to do.
My original post had to do with Breakaway Dj working with Scratch Live on Mac hardware. I’d like to get Leif’s thoughts on this..
As the owner of a computing business, I have learned over many years that you will NEVER win the PC versus Mac arguement. It seems that, along with being prepared to spend three times more for the same functionality, Mac users have a stubborn streak that has them believe nothing else of any useable functionality exists anywhere else in the universe.
It’s like trying to get a dyed-in-the-wool Ford driver to consider buying an Oriental buzz-box.
As for the software – it’s a tool like any other program. If it works in your environment, great. I happe to use another DJ program, and have done for at least ten years. It works for me, and I have become so comfortable with it that I would never conider changing, even if Serato paid me to try their product. If I ever found that my "tool of trade" was lacking in any areas I wanted to use, I would then consider an alternative tool.
[quote author=”DjSmoothOrl”]back to Apple and Serato for a second..
As a working club Dj, you couldn’t pay me to use anything but a Macbook Pro for hardware and Scratch Live for the Dj software. Know why? They’re reliable and they do exactly what I need them to do.
My original post had to do with Breakaway Dj working with Scratch Live on Mac hardware. I’d like to get Leif’s thoughts on this..[/quote]
Leif’s thoughts aside, there isn’t a download of Breakaway for OSX, so it doesn’t work with OSX. But to answer your question… if you install Windows on your "Mac" hardware, then yes… Breakaway DJ will work on your hardware.
If there will ever be a Breakaway for OSX hasn’t ever been set in stone or promised, so I wouldn’t hold your breath for it. If you want Breakaway now on your hardware, you have to install Windows on it.
The third option of course is running something like VMWare Fusion v3 (Parallels blows, and Bootcamp really isn’t an option that makes sense at all), and running Breakaway that way… but then you’re also going through the virtual soundcard layers of VMWare which will add a ton of latency making the use of Breakaway DJ for TCV purposes sort of pointless…
[quote author=”Milky”]It seems that, along with being prepared to spend three times more for the same functionality, Mac users have a stubborn streak that has them believe nothing else of any useable functionality exists anywhere else in the universe.[/quote]
It’s somewhat populated by people that want to believe that something is true simply because whatever marketing is put forward sounds like it could be true, without any actual evidence. Like security for instance. Windows Vista & 7 combined now have about 1.5 new exploits in the wild per month, and OSX has a new one basically every day. Easily proven if you check any of the security bulletins/mailing lists. But some people will deny it, and refuse to even investigate for themselves, believing a commercial that just states that OSX is "safer" and "more secure" than Windows (whatever that means) from the company that has everything to gain (aka YOUR cash) by that perception.You’re right, you can’t even try to fight against people with that will to believe without any facts, and ignore the truth on purpose. But another huge part of it is after you have paid the money for something, it’s simply human nature to want to defend your purchasing decision. That’s something that probably every one of us are guilty of from time to time.
In closing; I’m not saying OSX is any better or worse in general, or for any individual. Everything I’ve been discussing actually has very little to do with OSX. Mainly it’s the way Apple does business, and the way it markets itself. Apple always has been a software company, and for the most part OSX is decent software in my own opinion. It’s that Apple tries to lock people into the hardware that at least in some way is making them LESS competitive and MORE complacent, which can only harm the software product that the customer ends up with… not to mention forcing people to pay them 3 times the price for the exact same hardware (and having way fewer options and lower performance on the hig-end) that the rest of the computer market is already using.
I’ll add in some Linux discussion too, and it’s that most proponents of Linux that really haven’t thought it out… that they will just blindly yell at anyone that’s not using Linux, that they too should be using Linux, simply because of some ideals… without any consideration of what software that we’re all using on our systems.
When it comes to the software that’s available, Windows clearly has the vast majority of everything…. but that’s slowly changing and coming together and people start creating it with portability in mind. The OSes themselves are starting to come together in functionality too, and are changing the things they really excel at.
Like Apple, that once used to be THEE setup for multimedia production like audio & video, now barely has anything to bring to the table in comparison to Windows, and even Linux makes more sense than OSX now in that regard. Emagic and Final Cut are the only thing unique about OSX left, and their "professionalism" is arguable, mainly with Final Cut (the color correction is horrid, for starters) and Logic is basically not going to be developed anymore.
But Apple’s mobile platforms are doing OK at least until Q4 2009 when Android surpassed iPhone sales. iPad sales are doing OK enough for Apple’s stock to not fall because of it, 2 million units in 2 months, so nothing spectacular, but decent. All sales and draconian anti-open-source anti-competition aside, their mobile OSes are not bad if you tossed in some multi-tasking.
The real thing hurting Apple at this point… is their unwillingness to adapt and work with standards and open source… and to become the true software company they really are now. The core of this problem is really the share holders and investments involved, because they are the driving force behind the imho BAD decision to keep Jobs in the company at all, for the last 10-some years. And if you think that he’s been responsible in any way more than coming up with "talking points" for their products in that time, then you must think Obama runs the USA & has complete control too. Yes, both of them are supermen. 😀
The fact is, the only difference is that Jobs owns a controlling amount of Apple and has a say in what products don’t get developed, and Obama is just a puppet. 😉 It’s those things that Jobs is forcing Apple to NOT do that’s already causing vultures to peck away at Apple’s gains within the last 10 years… almost completely within the portable market.
So who’s going to tell Jobs that he’s better off if he’s not part of his own company? Who wants to get fired today? 😆
[quote author=”JesseG”][quote author=”Dr.J”]If I remember correctly, Apple created the FireWire interface and they still use it on all their MacBook Pro’s, including their newest batch (FireWire 800 to be exact).[/quote]
It was the regular MacBook I guess I was thinking about. Apple coined the term FireWire, but it’s actually known as IEEE 1394, and I’m somehow doubting they created that and decided to make it an international standard. That’s so unlike Apple.
[/quote]Like or unlike Apple, they did create FireWire (IEEE-1394)… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1394_interface#History_and_development.
HOLY COW… Can we get back to getting documentation and updates for Breakaway released.. and take the WIN Apple Wars to a separate discussion forum…
SHEEESH 🙄
[quote author=”Dr.J”]Like or unlike Apple, they did create FireWire (IEEE-1394)… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1394_interface#History_and_development.[/quote]
To their credit, I will make a note that Woz was still working at Apple at the time it was decided to let the IEEE develop 1394. A LOT has changed since then.I just wanted to know if we’d ever see a version of Breakaway Dj for the Mac platform that could work with Scratch Live…
Shortest answer possible is that it has not been talked about yet.
But there has been talk about a potential porting of Breakaway Audio Enhancer for OSX. From there I’m not sure about how much of a stretch it would be to also port the additional things needed for Breakaway DJ.
It really comes down to if Leif thinks it’s worth his time enough where he can break even on it, since Breakaway as software itself is largely a "break even" gift to us all, until it becomes way more popular through retail distribution, like Best Buy or something.
That’s the main attraction to OSX with Breakaway Audio Enhancer, is because of how well Volume Logic did on that platform. I don’t know how attractive it would be for Breakaway DJ because I don’t know how well it’s selling on the Windows platform. But Leif does. 8)
[quote author=”JesseG”]I don’t know how attractive it would be for Breakaway DJ because I don’t know how well it’s selling on the Windows platform. But Leif does. 8)[/quote]
Maybe access to some more presets (especially the latest), would move sales along. 😉
I would venture to guess that the Dj community as a whole is not really aware of this product yet.
I ask about the Mac platform because every Dj I know in Central Florida is running Scratch Live on a Macbook Pro.
I’d certainly buy this product if I could run it on my laptop with my software..if that counts for anything.
[quote author=”DjSmoothOrl”]I’d certainly buy this product if I could run it on my laptop with my software..if that counts for anything.[/quote]
It does no doubt. There’s one thing that’s not debatable… is the popularity of Scratch Live, regardless of the OS. Although all TCV systems in general have exploded in use over the last 5 years even. Definitely a great market to go after.I have a PC loaded up with music and ready to kick in if we have dead air for whatever reason. In the past (pre BADJ) I had the playout program runnning and then simply put the PC into standby. This is because I can then send it a "Magic Packet" and Wake Up on LAN from a remote site.
Since installing Breakaway DJ, I cannot put the PC into standby without getting the usual message to send Bill Gates an error report. Can this be fixed?
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