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[quote author=mick heaphy link=topic=4977.msg18368#msg18368 date=1436574928]
post of the thread
[/quote]NOPE!
Post of the thread would be if Leif appears here to give us satisfaction about his abandon. I do not care about his life, I just care about the lies he said so far about next year, next summer, next bla bla bla. And this software is not as good as it was 3 years before, now it's totally full of date and stills in shop.
When I purchased, I asked if there would be updates, and he told me "YES, OF COURSE!". When will be? Leif's answer: "THIS SUMMER". I was cheated.
No problems with Leif's life, Leif's "stairway to Telos", just with this ridiculous situation he does with every customer.
when he stated there would be updates, he probably wasn't as busy with projects that take up a lot more time yet which will earn him more money. the reality is he is busy. clearly, breakaway isn't going to be abandon ware yet, otherwise we would have been made aware by now in some form. work with omnia has to take precedent over everything else. while its not what people want to hear, its reality. the software is still good software
[quote author=mick heaphy link=topic=4977.msg18383#msg18383 date=1436982359]when he stated there would be updates, he probably wasn't as busy with projects that take up a lot more time yet which will earn him more money[/quote]Like ehm… his car stereo you mean?
[quote author=mick heaphy link=topic=4977.msg18383#msg18383 date=1436982359]clearly, breakaway isn't going to be abandon ware yet, otherwise we would have been made aware by now in some form.[/quote]No we wouldn't. Breakaway is still in betastage. So no strings attached for the author. He, very cleverly, made sure of that. There has never been a 1.x version.
[quote author=mick heaphy link=topic=4977.msg18383#msg18383 date=1436982359]work with omnia has to take precedent over everything else[/quote]That's fine with me and a lot of people. What's NOT fine is the lying about updates and disrespectful silence towards users. At least be honest about not going to work on Breakaway anymore. But hey, admitting that would probably hurt sales…
[quote author=mick heaphy link=topic=4977.msg18383#msg18383 date=1436982359]the software is still good software[/quote]No, it's not. Sure it still works for now, but the rest of the world moved on and there are new drivers (ASIO!), new hardware and a new OS out there. What if for example W10 turns out to be a problem? This software hasn't been updated for 5 years and needs an update. Even Jesse Grafam agrees to that…
[quote author=radio oude stijl link=topic=4977.msg18241#msg18241 date=1429178233]
Yeah right… The same shit over and over again. The fact that he still doesn't dare to admit Breakaway is abandoneware is getting ridiculous. I hope he will be at IBC this year.
[/quote]He will be there R. 😉 but it's always the same story, and when you turn your back, he just laughs inside and go on with what he does.
Trying to improve the Omnia 9 and Software from the A/X … and like I mentioned before, he smart enough to ship us off.Sh*t happens…
Leif was with Linear Acoustic, who's now part of Telos, for over 10 years now. Longer than Breakaway has been around.
He didn't build his car stereo, he had a great custom shop do it.
10 years before Breakaway came out, the closest performing audio processing (and objectively not as good) was the Optimod 8200 which cost $10,000 in 1992 USD. Breakaway so far has break-even pricing. R&D had to be paid for, and what little support there is as well. The volume of sales was expected (and is) a lot more for the "Audio Enhancer" version, which is why it's cheaper. The "Broadcast" version has a lot less sales and the most technical features, which is why it costs more. When it came out, the broadcast industry FREAKED because of how cheap it was, and that when it came out it was easily one of a few of the best sounding audio processors at any price, easily competing with $10-13,000 processors of the day.
When he does take the time to make a new Breakaway, it'll use the unified code ("NewFramework") so technically he's been working on it this whole time.
Yes, there is basically zero changes in the audio that the new version will output, for the features it'll have. There should be a couple more controls and new presets though.
While Leif did say that everyone who bought a 0.x version will get 1.x versions for free, there's no legal requirement to releasing new versions at all, no matter if it's 0.x or 10.x version.
When Leif joined his second Telos company, Omnia, he made sure that he was allowed to continue Breakaway as he sees fit. He would have turned down Omnia if that wasn't part of the deal.
Lastly, I agree with what madmanjohn said here http://www.forumclaessonedwards.com/forum/index.php/topic,5092.msg18441.html#msg18441 and it's worded very well.
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If you don't like the sound of Breakaway, then you should consider using something else and be happy. If you like it, then you'll remain happy if/when a new version comes out because it'll basically sound the same. You'd be harming yourself for no reason to switch to a different processor that you don't like the sound of as much simply because a version hasn't been released in some years.
Leif is well aware that a few users, but not most, have had issues with Windows 10. WinLicense/Oreans and the other commercial copy protection used won't be part of the update. There should also be new methods of connecting to soundcards that have come out since the last release.
Leif knows that he's ignoring Breakaway right now, and he does feel bad about it. And yes, he's extremely busy. The last few months he's been working with Hans to help him prepare for his first contributions to Omnia products, and yes they are directly benefiting Stereo Tool as well. There's been a few benefits that Hans has brought to NewFramework as well, which will be part of any Breakaway update.
Don't waste your time here to just ask for a new version just to have a new version that will sound basically the same. Don't waste your time here if you don't like how Breakaway sounds as much as another audio processor that is within your budget.
If it isn't fun for you, do something else. 🙂
[quote author=DJC link=topic=4977.msg18477#msg18477 date=1438867900]
Any chance Breakaway will ever be packed in a VST?[/quote] Have you even read this thread? 😮[quote author=JesseG link=topic=4977.msg18470#msg18470 date=1438811137]
Leif was with Linear Acoustic, who's now part of Telos, for over 10 years now. Longer than Breakaway has been around.He didn't build his car stereo, he had a great custom shop do it.
10 years before Breakaway came out, the closest performing audio processing (and objectively not as good) was the Optimod 8200 which cost $10,000 in 1992 USD. Breakaway so far has break-even pricing. R&D had to be paid for, and what little support there is as well. The volume of sales was expected (and is) a lot more for the "Audio Enhancer" version, which is why it's cheaper. The "Broadcast" version has a lot less sales and the most technical features, which is why it costs more. When it came out, the broadcast industry FREAKED because of how cheap it was, and that when it came out it was easily one of a few of the best sounding audio processors at any price, easily competing with $10-13,000 processors of the day.
When he does take the time to make a new Breakaway, it'll use the unified code ("NewFramework") so technically he's been working on it this whole time.
Yes, there is basically zero changes in the audio that the new version will output, for the features it'll have. There should be a couple more controls and new presets though.
While Leif did say that everyone who bought a 0.x version will get 1.x versions for free, there's no legal requirement to releasing new versions at all, no matter if it's 0.x or 10.x version.
When Leif joined his second Telos company, Omnia, he made sure that he was allowed to continue Breakaway as he sees fit. He would have turned down Omnia if that wasn't part of the deal.
Lastly, I agree with what madmanjohn said here http://www.forumclaessonedwards.com/forum/index.php/topic,5092.msg18441.html#msg18441 and it's worded very well.
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If you don't like the sound of Breakaway, then you should consider using something else and be happy. If you like it, then you'll remain happy if/when a new version comes out because it'll basically sound the same. You'd be harming yourself for no reason to switch to a different processor that you don't like the sound of as much simply because a version hasn't been released in some years.
Leif is well aware that a few users, but not most, have had issues with Windows 10. WinLicense/Oreans and the other commercial copy protection used won't be part of the update. There should also be new methods of connecting to soundcards that have come out since the last release.
Leif knows that he's ignoring Breakaway right now, and he does feel bad about it. And yes, he's extremely busy. The last few months he's been working with Hans to help him prepare for his first contributions to Omnia products, and yes they are directly benefiting Stereo Tool as well. There's been a few benefits that Hans has brought to NewFramework as well, which will be part of any Breakaway update.
Don't waste your time here to just ask for a new version just to have a new version that will sound basically the same. Don't waste your time here if you don't like how Breakaway sounds as much as another audio processor that is within your budget.
If it isn't fun for you, do something else. 🙂
[/quote]It's not that any one is asking for updates with new features, but regular maintenance and bug fixes should be pushed out. For example the very old pipeline version, that is causing problems with Windows 8/8.1 and there are lots of reported bugs here in the forum.
Can you explain why the whole 'NewFramework' is needed, while the software would be fine with some bug fixes and occasional maintenance releases? I bet they would cost a lot les time to make.
Like I said before, it's kinda sad for a guy with his competences others have to defend him lol
Seems his products works now with Win10, but who really cares about that now? eh?
If you know Jesse also helps developing Stereo Tool who is a full package for less money as his XE crap.
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